Gentlemen Politicians

[Martin Hash]

We started as a country of part-time politicians who wouldn't risk their precious business reputations by lying or taking bribes in politics. They were incorruptible because they were already secure in their lives. Today's career politicians are so shitty because they are the ones without principles, totally influenced by the people who pay for them. The likes of celebrity politicians may be a godsend because why would they denigrate their real lives for bullshit?

[de officiis]

As more and more people fall out of the middle class, this problem will only grow worse.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yeah, I am pretty much done with career politicians. If you go with wealthy men who made the money through their own acumen rather than just inheriting it, I think you might have a better outcome in general, though particular circumstances still matter.

To become wealthy requires a solid combination of IQ, leadership, and social skills that all translate pretty well to politics. Career politicians generally only have the skills of an actor (social skills plus the ability to convincingly lie, but probably not high IQ or leadership).

Add to that generals with great successes on the battlefield. Maybe even great scientists too. I don't know.

What I do know is that just being good at politics should be a disqualifying factor. I want men who are excelled at other fields and won success on their own.

[Viktorthepirate]

Yeah, I am pretty much done with career politicians. If you go with wealthy men who made the money through their own acumen rather than just inheriting it, I think you might have a better outcome in general, though particular circumstances still matter.

To become wealthy requires a solid combination of IQ, leadership, and social skills that all translate pretty well to politics. Career politicians generally only have the skills of an actor (social skills plus the ability to convincingly lie, but probably not high IQ or leadership).

Add to that generals with great successes on the battlefield. Maybe even great scientists too. I don't know.

What I do know is that just being good at politics should be a disqualifying factor. I want men who are excelled at other fields and won success on their own.

HA, generals are politicians.

[Martin Hash]

I look at the Kid Rock race. Assuming it's real, Kid Rock is going to win. He obviously has a high IQ, and he sure as hell can't be corrupted by money or influence. Whatever kookiness is involved, I'm certain he'd be better than the nobody-nothing running against him.

[Viktorthepirate]

I look at the Kid Rock race. Assuming it's real, Kid Rock is going to win. He obviously has a high IQ, and he sure as hell can't be corrupted by money or influence. Whatever kookiness is involved, I'm certain he'd be better than the nobody-nothing running against him.

I was thinking about that the other day too. Obviously plenty of celebrities are vacuous idiots but their independent wealth makes them less prone to the crap we have going on now.

[Speaker to Animals]

I'd like to see Denzel take the mask off and present his case to the electorate one day. At this point, I'd like to see him replace Trump. I am pretty sure he could do it, though I am not sure the democratic party would help him do it.

What if we can effect basically the same thing in the democratic party that just happened to the GOP next presidential cycle?

[Ph64]

The last local election (senator, mayor, council person, ...down to registrar of voters) I voted all "outsider" except registrar - there wasn't one for that. Really got to me seeing the republican was also on as the libertarian, and the dem was also on as green party, for several of them - luckily there's were independents... Shit, I would've considered someone on the communist party, I just wanted to say "fuck the two parties".

[ssu]

The absolutely worst, most stupid idea ever is to think that celebrity entertainers would make good political leaders as they are "outsiders".

The only thing they are professional are promoting their own sorry asses and as perfomers, they can work their crowd and give a perfomance on stage that people like. And that's it. Nothing else. And in that role they can be funny and entertaining and can work the crowd and give an impression that they are different. And we know them because ...of their celebrity status. Assuming that these typically narcisists with huge ego's would somehow be adapted to lead people with superb leadership skills and not be controlled by slick professional politicians and/or advisors is simply whimsical. Good for them if they have been in some public position, a mayor of a small town or whatever, but if their CV is just about their actor/Singer/musician/athlete career, they likely are not the best pick for top political positions.

In fact, from their own entertainment world career, these people are very used to promoters and getting advice from "advisors" and thus likely have taken the whole political system to be a similar stage of theatre as the entertainment business is, just like this Robert Ritchie aka "Kid Rock", who has been for a while one of those celeb groupies and hangers-on that circles around the Republican party, which the GOP politicians really like. What entertainers and celebrities focus on is their own image, not on having an agenda to do.

Politicians love rock stars. And some rock stars politicians:




And what is also stupid is the idea that their outsider status of not having absolutely anything to do with public service whatsoever gives them an advantage. Because these people likely will be the most corrupt people you can find and "learning on the job" won't make them any better. It's similar to thinking that a "Children's Crusade" will succeed in conquering the Holy Land simply because children are so pure and innocent without vice unlike the dismal knights and rulers you usually use.

If people would want politicians with character and integrity, then choose those who write their own speeches. And listen to what they say. Just for starters.

[BjornP]

We started as a country of part-time politicians who wouldn't risk their precious business reputations by lying or taking bribes in politics. They were incorruptible because they were already secure in their lives. Today's career politicians are so shitty because they are the ones without principles, totally influenced by the people who pay for them. The likes of celebrity politicians may be a godsend because why would they denigrate their real lives for bullshit?

So, you assume that in the past, your politicians lied less and took less bribes?

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