Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

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Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by Fife » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:21 am

Here's a pretty good take from a Christian commentator on how/why John McCain and his policy school how create so much evil in the world.

John McCain: A Good Man and Good Public Servant?
It is not an exaggeration to say that had McCain’s foreign policy not prevailed, literally hundreds of thousands and possibly more human beings around the globe would have been spared the incalculable suffering that they in fact were made to endure. A substantial number of these people would not have lost their lives.

. . .


For the better part of the last 2,000 years of Christian (Western) morality, it was understood that the goodness of an act is not determined by a person’s subjective intention. Even if he desired to produce a wonderful or utopian state of affairs, the means by which he pursues that end may still be immoral.

To paraphrase St. Paul’s memorable remark, we must never do evil—even if good may come from it.

To put it another way, the ends never justify the means.

Yet if the only factor that is of moral relevance in judging a person’s conduct is his intention to produce a desirable outcome, then the ends do indeed justify the means. In fact, the ends always justify the means.

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Morally good ends can never justify immoral deeds. This most people and all good Christians have always known. However, even on the assumption that the ends do justify the means, the argument in McCain’s defense still fails. It fails on its own terms.

There isn’t a single war for which McCain has advocated that has come remotely close to making the lives of the oppressed any better. Just the opposite, in fact, is the case. Iraq is the classic textbook illustration of how McCain-style American interventionism plucks the oppressed from the proverbial frying pan and hurls them into a raging fire.

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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:16 pm

But isn't the world utopia and UBI worth it?
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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by ssu » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:25 am

There isn’t a single war for which McCain has advocated that has come remotely close to making the lives of the oppressed any better.
Bullshit.

Kuwaiti's are happy for not living under Saddam Hussein and being part of Iraq now.

So little people remember (or care). Of course then McCain was not on any leadership position, but was a senator. Yet he wasn't against Desert Shield/Desert Storm. And how conveniently people forgot that McCain wasn't part of the Dubya neocons. McCain is rather in line with the old Reagan-era Republican hawks, not the neocons.

I have no problem with the Reagan era Republicans.
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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by Zlaxer » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:24 am

McCain's political record is a stain that Annapolis will never be able to wash away....

The long term damage to the country he has wrought is unforgivable. Did he really think he was "doing the right thing?" Or is he really just a hack at heart?

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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:25 am

Well now I bet you are all glad Barack Obama won huh!
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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by Zlaxer » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:39 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:Well now I bet you are all glad Barack Obama won huh!

Because candidate A sucks, that means candidate B is better? Nope - both suck and both have fucked this country up.

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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:50 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:Well now I bet you are all glad Barack Obama won huh!

Because candidate A sucks, that means candidate B is better? Nope - both suck and both have fucked this country up.
Why do you hate America Zlaxer?
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Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by ssu » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:03 am

Zlaxer wrote:McCain's political record is a stain that Annapolis will never be able to wash away....

The long term damage to the country he has wrought is unforgivable. Did he really think he was "doing the right thing?" Or is he really just a hack at heart?
You hate Ronald Reagan too?

I thought you guys were right-wingers. But perhaps I've got that wrong.

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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by Zlaxer » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:09 am

I'm pretty sure the only one here pro-Regan is Clubby....

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Re: Why McCain (and Neocon Policy) is Horrible

Post by The Conservative » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:25 am

ssu wrote:
There isn’t a single war for which McCain has advocated that has come remotely close to making the lives of the oppressed any better.
Bullshit.

Kuwaiti's are happy for not living under Saddam Hussein and being part of Iraq now.

So little people remember (or care). Of course then McCain was not on any leadership position, but was a senator. Yet he wasn't against Desert Shield/Desert Storm. And how conveniently people forgot that McCain wasn't part of the Dubya neocons. McCain is rather in line with the old Reagan-era Republican hawks, not the neocons.

I have no problem with the Reagan era Republicans.
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