Post-America World

[Speaker to Animals]

If, by 'major war', you mean a defensive war for the homeland, then I and my kids will be manning the drone-command trailer right next to you. If you mean another invasion of a third-world shithole for oil and MIC jobs, then go fuck yourself.

The drone-command trailer? LOL. That will be manned by warrant officers who volunteered long before the war started. You will be in a fox hole with the rest of the conscripts. Which, really, is much more honorable anyway. My dumb ass will be stuck back on the fucking flight line fixing jets 18 hours every day. I'd rather be a conscript.

Pro tip: if you ever enlist, you'd better think long and hard about what field you choose because four years might not be the end of that story.

Realistically, I'd be in the support building back home, doing IT support. I'll make sure your personal info is in order, for the notice to family and such.

There's only so much IT work to be done. You'd have to compete with a lot of other IT guys for those roles.



Realistically, though, you'd more likely be trying to figure out how to filter radiation out of the water at your hobby farm and thanking God you built a food larder before N-Day.

[Speaker to Animals]

Here's one of the original loyalty oaths given by Confederate soldiers in order to receive pardons:

[SuburbanFarmer]

The drone-command trailer? LOL. That will be manned by warrant officers who volunteered long before the war started. You will be in a fox hole with the rest of the conscripts. Which, really, is much more honorable anyway. My dumb ass will be stuck back on the fucking flight line fixing jets 18 hours every day. I'd rather be a conscript.

Pro tip: if you ever enlist, you'd better think long and hard about what field you choose because four years might not be the end of that story.

Realistically, I'd be in the support building back home, doing IT support. I'll make sure your personal info is in order, for the notice to family and such.

There's only so much IT work to be done. You'd have to compete with a lot of other IT guys for those roles.



Realistically, though, you'd more likely be trying to figure out how to filter radiation out of the water at your hobby farm and thanking God you built a food larder before N-Day.

This is fact.

[Okeefenokee]

Wake me up when the rest of the world stops selling products to the largest economy in the world, because they don't like the president's tweets.

[Speaker to Animals]

Wake me up when the rest of the world stops selling products to the largest economy in the world, because they don't like the president's tweets.

It's still in the realm of possibility. I can see the world dividing up into two camps again pretty easily.

They better be careful what they wish for, though..



They could make my favorite SF universe into a reality.

[C-Mag]

My point isn't "oh noes the mean old euros don't like us anymore", it's that losing international trust and goodwill makes the whole "hegemonic" part of being a hegemonic empire break down. Suppose, instead of pursuing a trade deal with the states, the EU instead ops to pursue that deal with China instead. China is belligerent, sure, but maybe the Europeans would be willing to accept that to not have to deal with the Americans. Maybe even they want to punish the Americans a little, show us we're not so special are centrally important as we thought.

Loss of prestige translates to loss of opportunity. We'll still have power, but without the quid pro quos that circulate international trade in our favor, you have no right to be surprised when our former allies decide to leave us in the cold for warmer relations elsewhere. It's a two-way street,when you turn your back on your friends, you don't get to be indignant when they turn their backs on you in return.

Also, start waving the nuke dick around too much, and they may even start talking about "containing" the rogue US state with a slew of alliances against us...

So, Trump is elected and suddenly we have a loss of Prestige around the world ?

[C-Mag]

They could make my favorite SF universe into a reality.

......... and what universe is that ?

[SuburbanFarmer]

My point isn't "oh noes the mean old euros don't like us anymore", it's that losing international trust and goodwill makes the whole "hegemonic" part of being a hegemonic empire break down. Suppose, instead of pursuing a trade deal with the states, the EU instead ops to pursue that deal with China instead. China is belligerent, sure, but maybe the Europeans would be willing to accept that to not have to deal with the Americans. Maybe even they want to punish the Americans a little, show us we're not so special are centrally important as we thought.

Loss of prestige translates to loss of opportunity. We'll still have power, but without the quid pro quos that circulate international trade in our favor, you have no right to be surprised when our former allies decide to leave us in the cold for warmer relations elsewhere. It's a two-way street,when you turn your back on your friends, you don't get to be indignant when they turn their backs on you in return.

Also, start waving the nuke dick around too much, and they may even start talking about "containing" the rogue US state with a slew of alliances against us...

So, Trump is elected and suddenly we have a loss of Prestige around the world ?

Yeah, pretty much what everybody predicted.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I can't wait until we get to the loyalty oaths part of being a liberty nation.

Already there. Been there since 1865..

Yeah, no kidding. I didn't say it would be new, or unprecedented.

[Speaker to Animals]

They could make my favorite SF universe into a reality.

......... and what universe is that ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoDominium

It begins when the United States and the Soviet Union form a supranational alliance to dominate the world. They block all other nations from control of space travel. They begin a space colonization program. The rest of the world was not happy.