Post-America World

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Post-America World

Post by KerningChameleon » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:02 am

Washington Post article, for those of you looking for an excuse to skip this thread:

Say hello to a post-America world
But there is another aspect to the decline in America’s reputation. According to a recent Pew Research Center survey of 37 countries, people around the world increasingly believe that they can make do without America. Trump’s presidency is making the United States something worse than just feared or derided. It is becoming irrelevant.
Turns out Brexit and Trump's presidency were the best thing that could happen to Germany and the EU.
The most fascinating finding of the Pew survey was not that Trump is deeply unpopular (22 percent have confidence in him, compared with 64 percent who had confidence in Barack Obama at the end of his presidency). That was to be expected — but there are now alternatives. On the question of confidence in various leaders to do the right thing regarding world affairs, China’s Xi Jinping and Russia’s Vladimir Putin got slightly higher marks than Trump. But German Chancellor Angela Merkel got almost twice as much support as Trump. (Even in the United States, more respondents expressed confidence in Merkel than in Trump.) This says a lot about Trump, but it says as much about Merkel’s reputation and how far Germany has come since 1945.

Trump has managed to do something that Putin could not. He has unified Europe. As the continent faces the challenges of Trump, Brexit and populism, a funny thing has happened. Support for Europe among its residents has risen, and plans for deeper European integration are underway. If the Trump administration proceeds as it has promised and initiates protectionist measures against Europe, the continent’s resolve will only strengthen. Under the combined leadership of Merkel and new French President Emmanuel Macron, Europe will adopt a more activist global agenda. Its economy has rebounded and is now growing as fast as that of the United States.
Even the Canucks are muscling in for a piece of the geopolitical influence pie.
To America’s north, Canada’s foreign minister recently spoke out, in a friendly and measured way, noting that the United States has clearly signaled that it is no longer willing to bear the burdens of global leadership, leaving it to countries such as Canada to stand up for a rules-based international system, free trade and human rights. To America’s south, Mexico has abandoned any plans for cooperation with the Trump administration. Trump’s approval rating in Mexico is 5 percent, his lowest of all the countries Pew surveyed.
Huh, why does this bit feel familiar...
China’s leadership began taking advantage of Trump’s rhetoric and foreign policy right from the start, announcing that it was happy to play the role of chief promoter of trade and investment around the world, cutting deals with countries from Latin America to Africa to Central Asia. According to the Pew survey, seven of 10 European countries now believe that China is the world’s leading economic power, not the United States.

The most dismaying of Pew’s findings is that the drop in regard for America goes well beyond Trump. Sixty-four percent of the people surveyed expressed a favorable view of the United States at the end of the Obama presidency. That has fallen to 49 percent now. Even when U.S. foreign policy was unpopular, people around the world still believed in America — the place, the idea. This is less true today.
And, you know what? I'm strangely okay with all of this. Like, a great burden has been lifted from our shoulders, and the world is finally realized they need to pull together themselves in compromise and coalition without a clear global hegemon to petition to with every little thing. Everyone's interpreting the current American leadership as damage, and routing around it. It's quite... liberating.

I wonder if this is how modern Brits feel all the time.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:09 am

As predicted.

It's all good I guess, until we no longer control the world reserve currency. Then you'll see he'll break loose.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by Zlaxer » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:21 am

In other news - no one in America except for the feckless left gives a shit about how the rest of the world views us. Obviously the writer of that articles 1) has never ventured to a foreign country; 2) was drunk the whole time; and/or 3) has a motive in writing the article. I've done a fair amount of traveling in my day - most non-muzzies around the world like Americans....Even the fucking Chinese and Russians....

That's what pisses me off about the left - they get their fucking panties in a not over what the fucking Europeans are saying about us....bunch of fucking school girls....

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Re: Post-America World

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:44 am

KerningChameleon wrote:Washington Post article, for those of you looking for an excuse to skip this thread:
You're right, I skip anything with their name on it, but I read your synopsis and I agree. WaPo is a Globalist Leftist rag, so they are simply appealing to their readers, but everyone else is okay without the U.S. being a hegemon. If we want something in the future, we'll bomb it out of 'em.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by DBTrek » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:51 am

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America, caring what the rest of the world thinks since never.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:10 am

So no one here thinks that perception figures prominently in power?
HAIL!

Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by DBTrek » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:15 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:So no one here thinks that perception figures prominently in power?
More prominently than nukes and wealth?

Nope.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:18 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:So no one here thinks that perception figures prominently in power?
Perception? Dude, the World has hated America long before Trump.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 am

DBTrek wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:So no one here thinks that perception figures prominently in power?
More prominently than nukes and wealth?

Nope.
Well, then we better hit them 4% growth targets to make up the difference I guess. Unless we find it it is hard to decouple wealth from how we are perceived, or can figure out how to decouple nukes from wealth. Then we might be in some real trouble.
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Re: Post-America World

Post by BjornP » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:21 am

"Support for Europe among its residents has risen..."? :?: There is obviously some sort of implied meaning and definition of "Europe" here that refers to more than just the geographical region in western half of Eurasia.

Could be nice if they would just write that plainly.
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