Meanwhile in Australia

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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by PartyOf5 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:10 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:06 pm
PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:11 pm
Hold up. When you say 1 in 8 of Australians own guns, did you take 3 million guns and simply divide by 24 million people to get to that number? What about people who own multiple guns? Then your 1 in 8 becomes less, possibly much less.
Nope, I said there was one gun for every 8 Australians.
Translated: You caught my lie, so I will now pivot by saying I did not mean what I meant.

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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:26 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:10 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:06 pm
PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:11 pm
Hold up. When you say 1 in 8 of Australians own guns, did you take 3 million guns and simply divide by 24 million people to get to that number? What about people who own multiple guns? Then your 1 in 8 becomes less, possibly much less.
Nope, I said there was one gun for every 8 Australians.
Translated: You caught my lie, so I will now pivot by saying I did not mean what I meant.
One gun for every 8 Australians.
That's not no guns as was suggested.
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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am

the difference in Australia is not about how many guns they have

the law in Australia explicitly states that you cannot use a gun for self defence

because they don't have a constitution of their own, but are rather still under British law, there is no right to self defence

the government in Canada would like to make it this way

but they can't get around the right to "security of the person" in the 1982 Canadian charter

the Jonestown Canada of today would never write the Charter as it did in 1982, but they're stuck with it
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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:46 am

in terms of the number of guns per capita fallacy, Canada has a lot of guns, but they are in the hands of relatively few owners

the average Canadian gun enthusiast owns lots of guns, while the average Canadian owns no guns at all

none the less, in terms of a revolution against the Crown of Canada, the flow of guns from the USA would be impossible to stop

the criminal element in Canada is heavily armed with American guns

the Indians are also armed to the teeth with American guns, particularly the Mohawks sitting astride the border

the Government of Canada is not actually capable of staving off a concerted violent insurrection, there's just not enough Mounties to do the job

Canada is 9 million square kilometres of mostly wilderness, there's no way to put down an insurgency on this much terrain

what keeps Canadians in check is the culture, Canadians are anti-American British Victorian nanny police staters by nature

same thing with Australia, except they are much more detached from America and the subversive republican Hurly Burly
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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:18 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am
the difference in Australia is not about how many guns they have

the law in Australia explicitly states that you cannot use a gun for self defence

because they don't have a constitution of their own, but are rather still under British law, there is no right to self defence

the government in Canada would like to make it this way

but they can't get around the right to "security of the person" in the 1982 Canadian charter

the Jonestown Canada of today would never write the Charter as it did in 1982, but they're stuck with it
There is a right to self defence. Right up to the use of deadly force if you feel your life is in danger.
There is no right to arm yourself for self defence though.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:24 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:18 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am
the difference in Australia is not about how many guns they have

the law in Australia explicitly states that you cannot use a gun for self defence

because they don't have a constitution of their own, but are rather still under British law, there is no right to self defence

the government in Canada would like to make it this way

but they can't get around the right to "security of the person" in the 1982 Canadian charter

the Jonestown Canada of today would never write the Charter as it did in 1982, but they're stuck with it
There is a right to self defence. Right up to the use of deadly force if you feel your life is in danger.
There is no right to arm yourself for self defence though.
in Canada the right to self defence automatically includes the right to defend yourself with a gun

the courts here simply found it "reasonable" that a person would need a gun to defend themselves against a lethal threat

the arguments here in court are not about the gun, but whether the use of force was reasonable in respect to the threat
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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:29 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:24 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:18 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am
the difference in Australia is not about how many guns they have

the law in Australia explicitly states that you cannot use a gun for self defence

because they don't have a constitution of their own, but are rather still under British law, there is no right to self defence

the government in Canada would like to make it this way

but they can't get around the right to "security of the person" in the 1982 Canadian charter

the Jonestown Canada of today would never write the Charter as it did in 1982, but they're stuck with it
There is a right to self defence. Right up to the use of deadly force if you feel your life is in danger.
There is no right to arm yourself for self defence though.
in Canada the right to self defence automatically includes the right to defend yourself with a gun

the courts here simply found it "reasonable" that a person would need a gun to defend themselves against a lethal threat

the arguments here in court are not about the gun, but whether the use of force was reasonable in respect to the threat
Same here (in your own home) however taking a weapon onto the streets to defend yourself is not considered self defence.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by DBTrek » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:30 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:18 am
There is a right to self defence. Right up to the use of deadly force if you feel your life is in danger.
There is no right to arm yourself for self defence though.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have a right to a trial ... right on up till you go to jail.
No right for representation in court tho.

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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by DBTrek » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:32 am

"Hear ye, Hear ye,
All Good Britons henceforth are given the right,
to attempt to pummel armed gunmen to death,
in defense of their own lives."


You Brits really know how to pile on those freedoms, man.
Let me tell ya.
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"No!"
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Re: Meanwhile in Australia

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:33 am

there is even such a thing as a Canadian concealed carry handgun permit

but they are only issued to persons the courts deem to be in imminent danger

but if you are a wife with a deranged ex husband out to kill you, you could actually apply for a concealed carry handgun permit in Canada

most Canadians are not aware of this, the government does not advertise it, so the average Canadian never thinks to apply for one
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