Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Mon May 22, 2023 11:56 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 11:33 am
Russia has less of a chance of going Marxist than the U.S. does.
If they get the west portion of Ukraine as they are trying for. They will obtain 70% or greater of all oil production and 35% of farming production.

It will change the environment entirely.

It will allow Russia to be less worried about tarrifs while it reinforces it's infrastructure. It could easily become Marxist by using “Nationalist” tendencies to bolster the fear of the world’s actions against it.

doing that and improving its relationship with China and India and making the world economy a thing of the past.

The US would be devastated by the NWO collapsing with the way things are now. The only way to stop that from happening would be if we start to care about ourselves and increase local production while cutting back on international needs.

China owns a large portion of the rare earth metal in Africa and now having access in India is going to force the world’s hand.

We are going to see WWIII, one way or another. It just matters if people are stupid enough to use nukes instead of words.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon May 22, 2023 3:37 pm

I do not think Marxist means what you think it means.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Mon May 22, 2023 4:18 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 3:37 pm
I do not think Marxist means what you think it means.
I know full well what it means. I don't think you know how they will get there with what I stated... The losses in Ukraine will be put on front and center when they obtain the resource-rich part of it. To keep it and protect Russia's interests, they will ask people to sacrifice more to hold onto it from the corrupt Eastern countries at their borders.

Also, with rumors of Putin having cancer (seen this statement from more than one solid source), his foundation will not survive if Putin doesn't stay in power during this transition of regional strength. Not unless he picks an iron-fisted successor.

The young and the stupid have already infiltrated, and with Putin out of the picture (within the next decade), Russia, without a strong leader, will fall back into the old Marxist mentality. They will have no choice, especially considering all other world powers around them have a larger overall budget, Russia has very few abilities to make mistakes, and I don't see them succeeding without a massive boost from China, which, if Trump or someone like Trump gets into office, China will not be doing well in the next few years.

Martin said the US has a better chance of becoming Marxist than Russia does, and he's right... but only as long as Putin and his cronies stay in power, which I honestly think is not for as long as most people think it is.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon May 22, 2023 5:22 pm

I think you’re looking for ‘statist’ or ‘totalitarian’, not ‘Marxist’.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Mon May 22, 2023 5:51 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 5:22 pm
I think you’re looking for ‘statist’ or ‘totalitarian’, not ‘Marxist’.
They all share something in common.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon May 22, 2023 6:25 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 5:51 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 5:22 pm
I think you’re looking for ‘statist’ or ‘totalitarian’, not ‘Marxist’.
They all share something in common.
Yes. But only one of them is Marxism.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Mon May 22, 2023 9:42 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 6:25 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 5:51 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 5:22 pm
I think you’re looking for ‘statist’ or ‘totalitarian’, not ‘Marxist’.
They all share something in common.
Yes. But only one of them is Marxism.
Close. The two you described combines ends with Marxism.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon May 22, 2023 10:01 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 9:42 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 6:25 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 5:51 pm


They all share something in common.
Yes. But only one of them is Marxism.
Close. The two you described combines ends with Marxism.
Man I miss watching some of these guys tear into your pedantic ass. You really have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Haumana » Tue May 23, 2023 1:29 am

C-Mag wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 10:12 pm
Good interview with an American Merc in Ukraine. This Aussie channel is Pro Ukraine and very good.


I'm 15 min in and this Merc is absolutely depressing to listen to.
I watched part 1 and am 1/2 way through the second. Idealism meets naivete. His dream for no corruption is a fools errand. He was put into a few positions of cognitive dissonance that seemed to find him retreating back to his narrative. Azov is just a bunch of stupid 20-27 year olds who don't really know what they are doing. He equated them to AntiFa, at one point.

Dunno. Dude seems melancholy as hell. His stated reason for being there is that he found no purpose in his life here. Good luck to him.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Tue May 23, 2023 4:24 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 10:01 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 9:42 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 6:25 pm


Yes. But only one of them is Marxism.
Close. The two you described combines ends with Marxism.
Man I miss watching some of these guys tear into your pedantic ass. You really have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
Really then explain why a statist, and totalitarian environment can't easily take that extra step to Marisim?

Really, because as far as I know in a Marxist environment the statement of “the people control production” can only happen in both a totatalirian and statist environment.

Totalitarianism should be self-explanatory. And statism is basically giving government control over economic planning and policy.

Which is required for Markisim and Totalitarianism to be effective.

There is no hard line to either of the three, a country can easily fluctuate between the three depending of it's needs.

But if you wish to try to “school me” please go ahead.
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