Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

[jseymour]

Case in point: Get Out and Lone Survivor. Both are awful movies, pushing an agenda for their respective parties. Personally I think Get Out was shittier and more obvious, but Lone Survivor was pretty bad too.

Please tell me how a movie based on a true event like Lone Survivor is pushing and agenda, but Act of Valor, that the Navy itself admits was a propaganda film to bolster recruitment isn't?

[heydaralon]

Case in point: Get Out and Lone Survivor. Both are awful movies, pushing an agenda for their respective parties. Personally I think Get Out was shittier and more obvious, but Lone Survivor was pretty bad too.

Please tell me how a movie based on a true event like Lone Survivor is pushing and agenda, but Act of Valor, that the Navy itself admits was a propaganda film to bolster recruitment isn't?

I haven't seen it so idk maybe it is.

[heydaralon]

Lone Survivor is lousy dude. It might have been based on a true story but it is made in the most cynical one-dimensional way possible. Rambo was more realistic.

[Smitty-48]

I'd say Act of Valor doesn't try to conceal the fact that it is basically an extended recruitment film, whereas Lone Survivor is a subliminal recruitment film which tries to pass itself of as historical, so I find Act of Valor to be more redeemed, simply by being more transparent.

Also, Act of Valor doesn't have the conceit to fuck with actual events, whereas Lone Survivor does, and then blows it, badly.

[Smitty-48]

The ironic thing is, the best subliminal recruitment films, are the Hollywood Liberal Panty Waist Anti-Vietnam War films; what better American War Gods, than Colonel Kilgore and Sergeant Barnes?

I rememeber when my father said "Oooh, that Sgt Barnes is evil!" and I said, "What?! Barnes is the hero, the rest of those clowns would have been dead along time ago without Barnes! Elias gets all stoned and then he just goes a lone ranger rush, whoopie fuckin do! Elias was a rat, he had to go, you dont fuckin rat to the Man, in a war zone."

[heydaralon]

Barnes was great, I think Gunnery Sergeant Hartman is the most memorable of them all. Whats awesome about Hartman is you never see him break the hardass character in that movie. He's always dialed up to 10. You never seen him eating with the other sergeants, talking about his hobbies, or playing with his children and kissing his wife, he always screaming and yelling funny insults at Gomer and Joker.

[Smitty-48]

Well FMJ is a comedy, literally didn't stop laughing through the whole movie, Hartman is one of the funniest characters in movie history, no doubt, but Kilgore and Barnes, that's poetry.

[jbird4049]

Sorry. I am using my cell to type this. Cutting and pasting is a problem. So too much quoting:-)

I am not for banning much of anything what gets me, as always, is the liberal snobbery and pretentiousness. You want to do Shakespeare, do Shakespeare. Don't try to modernize it, sticking real life people with tongue in cheek references, thinking you're some goddamned genius reinventing the wheel and charge someone's rent for tickets and when no one pays that anymore go on the government dole so GCF can virtue signal how he supports the arts, with other people's money. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck you.

This makes me angry, and it is insulting. How in God's name is art, any art a so called liberal thing, or even a conservative thing. Disagree with the ideas, and the emotions, rather than give a false label, which then gives you permission to ignore those ideas and feelings, that they present.

All art, all science, all philosophy, and, yes, government are not only the rightful tools of us all it is our inheritance, our gift, from those ancestral creators. They often were expressly created for our use by them, regardless of class,race, or even of personal beliefs. They are meant to be used, not idolize.

And how is doing Shakespeare differently some kind of plot? His works were not meant to be put in amber. That anyone not only has the pretentiousness, but arrogance, to tell others that they are good enough, or do not have the right to, shows true character. That of being a...well I just stopped myself from getting too harsh.

There seems to growing groups of Americans so afraid, and therefore dismissive of, evermore ideas, and to strip our collective minds of bad, unapproved, or just distasteful thoughts. Obey. Say the approved story. Think right thoughts. And trust none different for they are the enemies. Fuck that.

Yawn. Boring.
Your a liberal lecturing me on art, saying I can't criticize art, because my speech offends you. How SJW snowflake of you. You got triggered bitch. You are one of those Americans.

This makes me angry, and it is insulting. How in God's name is art, any art a so called liberal thing, or even a conservative thing. Disagree with the ideas, and the emotions, rather than give a false label, which then gives you permission to ignore those ideas and feelings, that they present.

All art, all science, all philosophy, and, yes, government are not only the rightful tools of us all it is our inheritance, our gift, from those ancestral creators. They often were expressly created for our use by them, regardless of class,race, or even of personal beliefs. They are meant to be used, not idolize.

And how is doing Shakespeare differently some kind of plot? His works were not meant to be put in amber. That anyone not only has the pretentiousness, but arrogance, to tell others that they are good enough, or do not have the right to, shows true character. That of being a...well I just stopped myself from getting too harsh.

There seems to growing groups of Americans so afraid, and therefore dismissive of, evermore ideas, and to strip our collective minds of bad, unapproved, or just distasteful thoughts. Obey. Say the approved story. Think right thoughts. And trust none different for they are the enemies. Fuck that.

I think Clubby's referring to some kind of Julius Caesar play that was done with a Trump-like character as Caesar. Which would make him the hero. But it's somehow threatening to the Right, because he gets stabbed at the end. Therefore, we must stop funding the arts.

At least, that's as much sense as I can make of it. :shrug:

Caesar is not the hero, there is no hero. It is a tragedy. And Caesar isn't killed at the end. It is a four act play and he is killed in the first scene of the 3rd act. So for nearly half the play he is dead. Why are we paying for art you dont appreciate? So you can pretend to be better than me? Fuck that and fuck you. For once in your worthless existence get one thing right. Bbq sauce, guns, Shakespeare, the politics of child reality tv celebrities, something, bitch.

Did I say you should not criticize art, or its use, or was I criticizing instead was the attempt to shut down other people's use of art?

What I see is attacks on the people using art in ways that you do not approve of. Art is language meant to be spoken in ways. Just like any language. Just think of how often any song, symphony, or opera different, often very differently.

[Hastur]

It is possible to re envision Shakespeare and get an interesting adaptation. Someone already mentioned West Side Story which is a good example. The Lion King is basically Hamlet. 10 things I hate about you was based on The Taming of the Shrew.

Ian McKellen was born for this role.


Kurosawa's Ran is King Lear.


I liked Joss Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing.


Most attempts are just painful to behold. Redoing Shakespeare in a new way is so unoriginal and easy. Many try but only a few can pull it off. I prefer Shakespeare as close to the original as possible. Kenneth Branagh's movies stand out the most.

[clubgop]

Sorry. I am using my cell to type this. Cutting and pasting is a problem. So too much quoting:-)

This makes me angry, and it is insulting. How in God's name is art, any art a so called liberal thing, or even a conservative thing. Disagree with the ideas, and the emotions, rather than give a false label, which then gives you permission to ignore those ideas and feelings, that they present.

All art, all science, all philosophy, and, yes, government are not only the rightful tools of us all it is our inheritance, our gift, from those ancestral creators. They often were expressly created for our use by them, regardless of class,race, or even of personal beliefs. They are meant to be used, not idolize.

And how is doing Shakespeare differently some kind of plot? His works were not meant to be put in amber. That anyone not only has the pretentiousness, but arrogance, to tell others that they are good enough, or do not have the right to, shows true character. That of being a...well I just stopped myself from getting too harsh.

There seems to growing groups of Americans so afraid, and therefore dismissive of, evermore ideas, and to strip our collective minds of bad, unapproved, or just distasteful thoughts. Obey. Say the approved story. Think right thoughts. And trust none different for they are the enemies. Fuck that.

Yawn. Boring.
Your a liberal lecturing me on art, saying I can't criticize art, because my speech offends you. How SJW snowflake of you. You got triggered bitch. You are one of those Americans.

I think Clubby's referring to some kind of Julius Caesar play that was done with a Trump-like character as Caesar. Which would make him the hero. But it's somehow threatening to the Right, because he gets stabbed at the end. Therefore, we must stop funding the arts.

At least, that's as much sense as I can make of it. :shrug:

Caesar is not the hero, there is no hero. It is a tragedy. And Caesar isn't killed at the end. It is a four act play and he is killed in the first scene of the 3rd act. So for nearly half the play he is dead. Why are we paying for art you dont appreciate? So you can pretend to be better than me? Fuck that and fuck you. For once in your worthless existence get one thing right. Bbq sauce, guns, Shakespeare, the politics of child reality tv celebrities, something, bitch.

Did I say you should not criticize art, or its use, or was I criticizing instead was the attempt to shut down other people's use of art?

What I see is attacks on the people using art in ways that you do not approve of. Art is language meant to be spoken in ways. Just like any language. Just think of how often any song, symphony, or opera different, often very differently.

So it's even worse than Id thought. They end on the assassination of Caesar? Therefore taking out the whole tragedy realization and making it total liberal fantasy murder porn. Great, let's all celebrate that abortion, you do every other one.