London Tower Fire

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Yes, yes, another public inquiry to determine if the government had followed the recommendations of the last public inquiry, which was to determine if the government had followed the recommendations of the last public inquiry, to determine if the government had followed the recommendations of the last public inquiry, public inquiry ad naseum in a paradoxical loop, like an Escher painting...


.. in lieu of ever just taking this public sector unionized self licking ice cream cone out behind the wood shed and shooting it, which should have been done a long time ago, but unfortunately, Britain has been totally enthralled by it, since it came about upon full mobilization for World War Two, and then simply never demobilized after.

Britain's Circumlocution Office predates the Great Wars.

Doesn't mean public housing is likely to improve with fewer building regulations.

[Montegriffo]

@Monte

It is interesting that when regulations put in place to protect people fail miserably, some people's response is to say "see, we shouldn't have regulations."

Even when said regulations were ignored. Blame the Nanny state instead of negligent contractors or councils crippled by government cuts.
Even blame the climate change ''myth'' in some cases.
Still, no one is blaming Muslims so that's an improvement on the usual BS I suppose.

[Speaker to Animals]

I don't know what more you need to see in order to understand the nanny state is largely unaccountable and they do not give a shit about human life (not anywhere). The bureaucracy cares only about the bureaucracy.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

@Monte

It is interesting that when regulations put in place to protect people fail miserably, some people's response is to say "see, we shouldn't have regulations."

Even when said regulations were ignored. Blame the Nanny state instead of negligent contractors or councils crippled by government cuts.
Even blame the climate change ''myth'' in some cases.
Still, no one is blaming Muslims so that's an improvement on the usual BS I suppose.

Well, contractors are allowed to cut corners cuz market, and councils are pencil-pushers who should do market.

The great thing about modernity is that you can always blame a faceless bureaucrat and you'll never be entirely wrong.

[Smitty-48]

Even when said regulations were ignored. Blame the Nanny state instead of negligent contractors or councils crippled by government cuts. .

If the infinite and ever expanding regulatory regime of this obscenely bloated 800lb nanny gorilla in the room, can simply be ignored, and a trillion dollars a year is not enough to simply have it do the most rudimentary of tasks assigned to it, give us one good reason why it shouldn't be taken out behind the wood shed and shot, forthwith, further public inquiry superflous to the case, since we already know it is as useless as tits on a slug, while costing you more than the entire GDP of Indonesia on an annual basis, a nation of some 200 million people and the 16th largest economy in the world.

More than the entire GDP of Indonesia is not enough to simply have the public sector unions do their jobs properly? MmmHmm.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The problem with blaming the Regulatory Regime for all failures is that it rests on a severe selection bias.

Nobody starts threads describing all the times the regulations worked as designed, kept a building and it's residents safe and secure, and everything was basically fine.

[Smitty-48]

The problem with blaming the Regulatory Regime for all failures is that it rests on a severe selection bias.

Nobody starts threads describing all the times the regulations worked as designed, kept a building and it's residents safe and secure, and everything was basically fine.

So when the regulations are ignored, catastrophe, when they are followed upon own volition, everything was basically fine, most of the time everything fine, when not, government pathetically failed to do anything about it.

So what do we need all these public sector unionized employees for again?

Again, costing as much as the whole GDP of Indonesia on an annual basis, fine if there isn't a problem, but totally useless when there is.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The problem with blaming the Regulatory Regime for all failures is that it rests on a severe selection bias.

Nobody starts threads describing all the times the regulations worked as designed, kept a building and it's residents safe and secure, and everything was basically fine.

So when the regulations are ignored, catastrophe, when they are followed upon own volition, everything was basically fine, most of the time everything fine, when not, government pathetically failed to do anything about it.

So what do we need all these public sector unionized employees for again?

Again, costing as much as the whole GDP of Indonesia on an annual basis, fine if there isn't a problem, but totally useless when there is.

Are you asking why we need public sector employees, or are you complaining that their union contracts are too cushy?

Either way, completely privatizing and deregulating public housing might make it cheaper (in the very short term), but I am skeptical that it would make it any better.

[Montegriffo]

Even when said regulations were ignored. Blame the Nanny state instead of negligent contractors or councils crippled by government cuts. .

If the infinite and ever expanding regulatory regime of this obscenely bloated 800lb nanny gorilla in the room, can simply be ignored, and a trillion dollars a year is not enough to simply have it do the most rudimentary of tasks assigned to it, give us one good reason why it shouldn't be taken out behind the wood shed and shot, forthwith, further public inquiry superflous to the case, since we already know it is as useless as tits on a slug, while costing you more than the entire GDP of Indonesia on an annual basis, a nation of some 200 million people and the 16th largest economy in the world.

Because it can only be ignored until the point where ignoring it causes deaths and leads to consequences for those guilty of ignoring said regulations. At this point those formerly ignored regulations will be rigorously applied in the future. Not ideal but better than ''well, they were poor what did they expect?''
Criminal investigations and public inquiries will result in heads rolling and the removal of illegal cladding on similar buildings.
Tax payers will point out that if the recommendations had been carried out in the first place then all this unnecessary expense could have been avoided. Of course this is not how government crisis management works so cuts will be made elsewhere and the whole stupid performance will happen again but in a different venue....

[Smitty-48]

Because it can only be ignored until the point where ignoring it causes deaths and leads to consequences for those guilty of ignoring said regulations.

Dead is dead, bloviated regulatory security theater; London might as well be a Bangledeshi sweat shop for all the good those regulations are apparently doing it. Wot? London basically is a Bangledeshi sweat shop, with some nice touristy bits here and there? Who knew?

At this point those formerly ignored regulations will be rigorously applied in the future.

Where, in Jakarta? Can't be talking about England, the Independent editorial board just described it as "Dickensian!" GDP of Indonesia spent annually, net result; Dickensian. Cost Benefit analysis, anyone?

Not ideal but better than ''well, they were poor what did they expect?''

Pretty sure the actual poor are not the delusional dingbats that you and your ilk are, they at least know the score, but carry on with liberal nonsense fapping, the poor will just have to figure their own way apparently, don't mind them, as they turn from your soapbox and just get on with it.

Criminal investigations and public inquiries will result in heads rolling and the removal of illegal cladding on similar buildings.

"Off with their heads, problem solved"?

Now we're getting somewhere, public sector unions to the dock, stand by, stand by, fetch the Executioner, Drum-Major, sound the roll.

Tax payers will point out that if the recommendations had been carried out in the first place then all this unnecessary expense could have been avoided. Of course this is not how government crisis management works so cuts will be made elsewhere and the whole stupid performance will happen again but in a different venue....

Unless said taxpayers simply take the bulk of this government out behind the woodshed and shoot it of course, then maybe they can hire the private sector to actually get something done for them for a change, without this absurdly dysfunctional self licking ice cream cone betwixt them, causing it all to go so pear shaped, year after year, decade after decade, having simply declined to demobilize itself, upon cessation of hostilities in 1945.