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[SuburbanFarmer]

Pfft, people truly don't understand how weak our infrastructure truly is.

Power grid, sure. But the internet is very specifically designed to avoid single points of failure. This is pretty weird.

The internet is not as broad as you think it is... Remember, how many jumps can an internet connection take maximum before it times out?

Think of it this way, the way our infrastructure it designed to get to Mass to CA it takes a an average on 30 jumps...

You drop a connection in the middle, it needs to find another way, that does not always mean the fastest route, and if you overburden some nodes people's internet just will drop.

The US internet infrastructure is one step better than our power, it has redundancy, but not at the level required to keep from collapsing is a major node or hub does go down. Remember, it uses the same base infrastructure out electricity runs on.

It was originally designed to survive a nuclear blast (or two). If they’re that dependent on a single cable for an entire region to balance capacity, then I’d say we are miles behind the curve.

Again, even if someone cut a main trunk line, this should never happen. And those are supposed to be guarded, or extremely protected.

[The Conservative]

Power grid, sure. But the internet is very specifically designed to avoid single points of failure. This is pretty weird.

The internet is not as broad as you think it is... Remember, how many jumps can an internet connection take maximum before it times out?

Think of it this way, the way our infrastructure it designed to get to Mass to CA it takes a an average on 30 jumps...

You drop a connection in the middle, it needs to find another way, that does not always mean the fastest route, and if you overburden some nodes people's internet just will drop.

The US internet infrastructure is one step better than our power, it has redundancy, but not at the level required to keep from collapsing is a major node or hub does go down. Remember, it uses the same base infrastructure out electricity runs on.

It was originally designed to survive a nuclear blast (or two). If they’re that dependent on a single cable for an entire region to balance capacity, then I’d say we are miles behind the curve.

Again, even if someone cut a main trunk line, this should never happen. And those are supposed to be guarded, or extremely protected.

My Papa was one of the developers or ARPANET... I not only inherited the mug, but the documentation on the project. He said that it would survive (in theory) a nuclear blast if it hit land, he said it would not if it was an aerial explosion on the East and West coast of the US.

The EMP from the nuclear bomb would destroy a vast amount of the infrastructure and what did if anything survived would be overloaded, and cause a cascade effect which would take down the rest of the communications.

They may have beefed up the internet so that is not so easy to do, but as we have seen with our electrical system, if you take down a big enough of a hub, a good chunk of the country will go down with it.

The same goes for the internet, and as for the main trunk lines, yes they are protected, but they are not impervious. There has been damage to them in the past by anchors, as well as other things...

To take out the trunk lines are a lot easier than you think, a lot easier than an nuclear areal blast on the east and west coast.

[Hastur]

Power grid, sure. But the internet is very specifically designed to avoid single points of failure. This is pretty weird.

The internet is not as broad as you think it is... Remember, how many jumps can an internet connection take maximum before it times out?

Think of it this way, the way our infrastructure it designed to get to Mass to CA it takes a an average on 30 jumps...

You drop a connection in the middle, it needs to find another way, that does not always mean the fastest route, and if you overburden some nodes people's internet just will drop.

The US internet infrastructure is one step better than our power, it has redundancy, but not at the level required to keep from collapsing is a major node or hub does go down. Remember, it uses the same base infrastructure out electricity runs on.

It was originally designed to survive a nuclear blast (or two). If they’re that dependent on a single cable for an entire region to balance capacity, then I’d say we are miles behind the curve.

Again, even if someone cut a main trunk line, this should never happen. And those are supposed to be guarded, or extremely protected.

It is true that the protocols of the internet are deigned to route around cuts. The problem is that the net hasn't been built to make that possible. A lot of choke points. It was designed by military but built by monopolistic corporations. You can't rout around if there is no physical connection to find.

It should have been built like a net with lot of redundacy but it was built more like a tree.

[The Conservative]

The internet is not as broad as you think it is... Remember, how many jumps can an internet connection take maximum before it times out?

Think of it this way, the way our infrastructure it designed to get to Mass to CA it takes a an average on 30 jumps...

You drop a connection in the middle, it needs to find another way, that does not always mean the fastest route, and if you overburden some nodes people's internet just will drop.

The US internet infrastructure is one step better than our power, it has redundancy, but not at the level required to keep from collapsing is a major node or hub does go down. Remember, it uses the same base infrastructure out electricity runs on.

It was originally designed to survive a nuclear blast (or two). If they’re that dependent on a single cable for an entire region to balance capacity, then I’d say we are miles behind the curve.

Again, even if someone cut a main trunk line, this should never happen. And those are supposed to be guarded, or extremely protected.

It is true that the protocols of the internet are deigned to route around cuts. The problem is that the net hasn't been built to make that possible. A lot of choke points. It was designed by military but built by monopolistic corporations. You can't rout around if there is no physical connection to find.

It should have been built like a net with lot of redundacy but it was built more like a tree.

Look at Comcast as a perfect example. Their hubs are already overloaded, why do you think you never get full speed?

It is a shared connection on top of that.

Here is the thing, the electrical system and the internet are built on the same infrastructure.

A telephone pole goes down two streets down, you are possibly off the net and have no power all at the same time.

We were told that was not supposed to be possible, we were told it had built-in redundancies. Yet every time a storm comes through and knocks down a wire, neighborhoods are cut off.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Seems the Texas energy grid is failing under cold weather.

https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/4-mil ... torm-nears

[The Conservative]

Seems the Texas energy grid is failing under cold weather.

https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/4-mil ... torm-nears

It's all "green energy" fuck... if this is proof it can't work by itself if at all, then I don't know what other proof is needed.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Seems the Texas energy grid is failing under cold weather.

https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/4-mil ... torm-nears

It's all "green energy" fuck... if this is proof it can't work by itself if at all, then I don't know what other proof is needed.

Actually no, it appears to be from natural gas wells freezing over.

[C-Mag]

The California grid fails all the time.

In part, this is a story because Texas has an independent grid.

Dont get pulled too far into this. They will use this to take over the independent Texas grid

[Hastur]

Seems the Texas energy grid is failing under cold weather.

https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/4-mil ... torm-nears

It's all "green energy" fuck... if this is proof it can't work by itself if at all, then I don't know what other proof is needed.

Actually no, it appears to be from natural gas wells freezing over.

Same thing. For every wind park they need a spare Natural Gas spare source. It's the best for starting fast and shutting down as the wind blows.

[C-Mag]

It's all "green energy" fuck... if this is proof it can't work by itself if at all, then I don't know what other proof is needed.

Actually no, it appears to be from natural gas wells freezing over.

Same thing. For every wind park they need a spare Natural Gas spare source. It's the best for starting fast and shutting down as the wind blows.

If I recall corretly, that's called Base Load planning. Having an alternate system that can be brought on immediately to handle the bare minimum required to keep the grid up.