Hate speech intervention goes wrong

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Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by Alexander PhiAlipson » Sat May 27, 2017 7:15 am

Fox 12 Oregon wrote:Police: Two people killed in NE Portland MAX train stabbing; suspect yelled 'hate speech'
O boy, this should be interesting.
Has a real case of Islamophobia finally emerged?
The headline is a bit misleading. Apparently this dude was saying mean stuff to a couple of girls in Muslim garb on a train when some upright folk tried to bring an end to his odious behavior. So, he slit two of their throats--killing them--and injured a third... defender?
Fox 12 Oregon wrote:Commissioner Chloe Eudaly is standing in for Mayor Ted Wheeler, who is on a flight to London. She released a statement speaking for the City Council, saying:

"The city of Portland has a heavy heart right now, and our thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of the deceased and injured.

This is an especially sad and disturbing incident. People lost their lives or were injured because they stood up to hate.

We need to offer our heartfelt support to the two women and others who were targeted. The courage of the people who stood up for them is a reminder that we as a city need to stand together to denounce hate....
http://www.kptv.com/story/35529733/poli ... ate-speech

The details are a bit thin at this time, but could this simply be freedom of speech and self defense? The story doesn't report that the guy menaced or threatened the girls, or "younger women." How did anyone propose to end this guy's hate speech?
I've heard a lot of people talk a lot of crazy shit on trains before, but....
:think:

EDIT: I sincerely hope the mayor of Portland isn't flying to London in an official capacity!
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Re: Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by Ex-California » Sat May 27, 2017 7:40 am

He was probably yelling at them for cultural appropriation.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Sat May 27, 2017 12:44 pm

Slit two of their throats? Is he a ninja?

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Re: Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by BjornP » Sat May 27, 2017 1:17 pm

This the new "Based Stickman", Flip?
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Re: Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by jbird4049 » Sat May 27, 2017 1:53 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:Slit two of their throats? Is he a ninja?
How likely is it having an argument is going to make someone to just whip out a weapon and use it? On public transportation? Even in a really bad part of town? People get in arguments all the time. At the very least there is a rhythm. Words, then threats, then pushing, then violence, and it is usually possible to know when to back-off. Especially when several people are confronting one verbally. Just having sharp pointy things aimed at you, for no unexpectly can cause one to freeze.

Most people are not actually wanting to seriously hurt someone, anyways. Of course some people are crazy angry, or just plain crazy.

So shouting, arguing, swearing...WTF? Knive? Freeze. Die.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 27, 2017 1:57 pm

Welcome to the cities.

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Re: Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by jbird4049 » Sat May 27, 2017 1:59 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Welcome to the cities.

Most places in most cities are just fine, and the murder rate has been going down for over thirty years. It does take just one person though to ruin one's day.
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Re: Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat May 27, 2017 2:00 pm

>bringing a knife to a gun fight

Gg kiddo

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Re: Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 27, 2017 2:47 pm

jbird4049 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Welcome to the cities.

Most places in most cities are just fine, and the murder rate has been going down for over thirty years. It does take just one person though to ruin one's day.

I wonder if either of the two Portland betas who just got their throats slashed ever argued the same thing.

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Re: Hate speech intervention goes wrong

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat May 27, 2017 5:31 pm