China and the 'White Left'

[TheReal_ND]

China has come up with a tern for SJWs:

白左 (literally "white left")

白左 is used generally to describe those who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to “satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority”; they are “obsessed with political correctness” to the extent that they “tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism”; they believe in the welfare state that “benefits only the idle and the free riders”; they are the “ignorant and arrogant westerners” who “pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours”.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitalib ... net-insult

Stings a little because my number one issue is identity politics and immigration. Being identitarian really is kind of the right's version of SJW'ism I guess.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's awesome.

The Chinese have similar immigration ideas as you do, nuke. I don't think they were talking about that.

[TheReal_ND]

Apart from some anti-hegemonic sentiments, the connotations of ‘white left’ in the Chinese context clearly resemble terms such as ‘regressive liberals’ or ‘libtards’ in the United States. In a way the demonization of the ‘white left’ in Chinese social media may also reflect the resurgence of right-wing populism globally.

It is indeed awesome. This would probably explain the /pol/ack Chinese gamers you encountered. I had no idea the notion was that prevalent over there.

[Speaker to Animals]

The weird shit about the Chinese dudes in my group is that the alt-right stuff that gets people outraged in the west is like normal to them. They are literally like wtf is wrong with that?

What makes people confused I think is the economic stuff. These mammon worshipers took over the republican party so many people think right means you have to worship free markets and fuck the poor over. But that's not right or left. That's just being a cunt.

[TheReal_ND]

Well I think the concept of free markets is one of the few things the right generally agrees on. Economics for me are an ancillary issue though. It's not something I care that much about.

[Speaker to Animals]

Well I think the concept of free markets is one of the few things the right generally agrees on. Economics for me are an ancillary issue though. It's not something I care that much about.

They don't even believe in free markets, though. It's just a slogan they use as an excuse to push a policy when it benefits them. When it doesn't, republicans and their benefactors are about as anti-free market as you can get. The pro-illegal immigration and H1B policies are literally price fixing. They are trying to undermine the free market for labor prices. They don't give a flying fuck about free markets unless it means they get more money. They are mammon worshipers.

[Martin Hash]

I agree, The Right refuses to understand economics when it does not directly benefit them.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair

[Ex-California]

Well I think the concept of free markets is one of the few things the right generally agrees on. Economics for me are an ancillary issue though. It's not something I care that much about.

They don't even believe in free markets, though. It's just a slogan they use as an excuse to push a policy when it benefits them. When it doesn't, republicans and their benefactors are about as anti-free market as you can get. The pro-illegal immigration and H1B policies are literally price fixing. They are trying to undermine the free market for labor prices. They don't give a flying fuck about free markets unless it means they get more money. They are mammon worshipers.

Nailed it. They like the "idea" of free markets and only like deregulation in order to take advantage of it.

And free market never means open borders, unless you're an anarchocapitalist. But that's just as insane as full socialism

[Speaker to Animals]

I agree, The Right refuses to understand economics when it does not directly benefit them.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair

I am saying that economics is not what differentiates right from left. That was always a false shiboleth. At this moment, we have alt-right folks advocating for socialization of health insurance and progressives working for corporate interests. The economics are all over the place.

You can't wedge people with economics. I suspect the reason that voter turnout has been half (or less) of the electorate consistently is that both parties run on bogus paradigms about a left-right split predicated on economics when that is not how most people think and act.

What motivated people to turn out in huge numbers for Trump, including a lot of people who haven't voted in years, is immigration. That's nation-state stuff.

The left is in danger of losing big time because they stupidly marked out anti-nationalism as their turf based on their bogus paradigm of how the politics are divided in this country.

Somebody needs to pat Carville on the head like Benny Hill used to do to Jackie and say "It's immigration, stupid!"

I have talked with a lot of people who supported Trump. Their economic opinions are all over the fucking place. That's not what unified them. It's not even a characteristic of what makes somebody right wing for that matter.

[Speaker to Animals]

Well I think the concept of free markets is one of the few things the right generally agrees on. Economics for me are an ancillary issue though. It's not something I care that much about.

They don't even believe in free markets, though. It's just a slogan they use as an excuse to push a policy when it benefits them. When it doesn't, republicans and their benefactors are about as anti-free market as you can get. The pro-illegal immigration and H1B policies are literally price fixing. They are trying to undermine the free market for labor prices. They don't give a flying fuck about free markets unless it means they get more money. They are mammon worshipers.

Nailed it. They like the "idea" of free markets and only like deregulation in order to take advantage of it.

And free market never means open borders, unless you're an anarchocapitalist. But that's just as insane as full socialism

Open borders is equivalent to no patents, trade secret laws, or copyrights. If China wants to reverse engineer the iPhone and sell the exact same thing to Americans for half the price Apple is charging, then that's okay. Free markets, dude!