Hey Nukedog...

[Ex-California]

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/ap ... commission

War crimes files revealing early evidence of Holocaust death camps that was smuggled out of eastern Europe are among tens of thousands of files to be made public for the first time this week.

The once-inaccessible archive of the UN war crimes commission, dating back to 1943, is being opened by the Wiener Library in London with a catalogue that can be searched online.

The files establish that some of the first demands for justice came from countries that had been invaded, such as Poland and China, rather than Britain, the US and Russia, which eventually coordinated the post-war Nuremberg trials.

The archive, along with the UNWCC, was closed in the late 1940s as West Germany was transformed into a pivotal ally at the start of the cold war and use of the records was effectively suppressed. Around the same time, many convicted Nazis were granted early release after the anti-communist US senator Joseph McCarthy lobbied to end war crimes trials.

Access to the vast quantity of evidence and indictments is timed to coincide with the publication on Tuesday of Human Rights After Hitler: The Lost History of Prosecuting Axis War Crimes by Dan Plesch, a researcher who has been working on the documents for a decade.

The documents record the gathering of evidence shortly after the UN was founded in January 1942. They demonstrate that rape and forced prostitution were being prosecuted as war crimes in tribunals as far apart as Greece, the Philippines and Poland in the late 1940s, despite more recent suggestions that this was a legal innovation following the 1990s Bosnian conflict.

The Polish government in exile, the files also record, supplied extraordinarily detailed descriptions to the UNWCC of concentration camps such as Treblinka and Auschwitz, where millions of Jews were gassed. The accounts had been smuggled out of occupied eastern Europe. A charge sheet from April 1944 mention victims being forced to strip off clothing and how “the terracotta floors in the chambers … became very slippery when wet”.

The Wiener Library was founded in Amsterdam in 1934 by Dr Alfred Wiener to monitor Nazi antisemitism. He shipped his collection to London on the eve of the second world war, then worked with the British government to inform officials about Hitler’s regime and provide evidence for the Nuremberg trials.

Now based in Bloomsbury, central London, the library supports study of the Holocaust and genocide. It also works with the International Tracing Service to provide free help to those searching for relatives who vanished into the concentration camps.

“The UN War Crimes Commission catalogue, which can be searched online, will be available through our website this week,” the library’s archivist, Howard Falksohn, said. “People will then be able to come in and look through the archive itself.

“We anticipate a lot of interest. Some of the PDF files [on to which the 900GB UN archive has been copied] each contain more than 2,000 pages. This is the first time they will be available to anyone in the UK. It may well be that people will be able to rewrite crucial chapters of history using the new evidence.”

Plesch, who is the director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at Soas in the University of London, had to get special permission to read the documents, which were closely guarded by the UN in New York.

Only researchers who received authority from their government and consent from the UN secretary general were allowed to read them, and they were not allowed to take notes or copies. Plesch helped persuade diplomats, including the then US ambassador at the UN, Samantha Power, to release the secret material.

“This is a huge resource for combating Holocaust denial,” Plesch said. “The German national authorities were never given access to the archive by the allies after the war. All of this has never seen the light of day.”

Some of the earliest files of evidence were collected to indict Adolf Hitler directly for his role in the coordinating and controlling massacres carried out by Nazi units in Czechoslovakia. Much of the evidence was collected by the Czech government in exile. There are more than 300 pages detailing his orders and responsibilities. The Nazi leader was eventually indicted in secret by a meeting of the UNWCC in late 1944 as Luftwaffe bombs fell on London.

One affidavit in the files is from a British soldier, Harry Ogden, who was captured at Narvik in Norway in 1940, escaped from a prisoner of war camp to join Polish partisans and was re-imprisoned in another POW camp alongside Auschwitz.

By the late 1940s, the US and British governments were winding down prosecutions of Nazis. President Harry Truman made anti-communism, rather than holding Nazis to account, a priority, Plesch says. “Even action against the perpetrators of the massacre of British RAF officers attempting to escape from prison camp Stalag Luft III, a flight made iconic by films such as The Great Escape, was curtailed.”

[TheReal_ND]

It's going to be the stuff that leaked out anyway and was beyond ridiculous; like steam chambers that melt people into liquid goo using super heated steam.

These were the sorts of rumors going about during the war.

Nowhere near as retarded as they've already gone though. The masturbation machines, the holocoaster, the giant electric chair. There was some room that they supposedly sucked all of the oxygen out of to kill jew, there were others that they gassed them to death in without sealing them. Never doubt the ability of a jew to come up with insane bullshit about his persecution. That's basically the only thing they're good at; and it doesn't include making it remotely believable with any scrutiny.

[Speaker to Animals]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Lamason

[Martin Hash]

I don't know what this thread is about? I've visited Buchenvald & Dachau in Germany. Doubt very much that "millions" were executed in either, though obviously at least thousands were. The scariest place I've been is Cambodia's Killing Fields. Even there, ten thousand maybe?

[TheReal_ND]

[heydaralon]

I don't know what this thread is about? I've visited Buchenvald & Dachau in Germany. Fought very much that "millions" were executed in either, though obviously at least thousands were. The scariest place I've been is Cambodia's Killing Fields. Even there, ten thousand maybe?

Pol Pot killed at least a million of his own people. The Nazis killed several million Jews, and other people from countries in Europe like Poland, Ukraine, and Yugoslavia. There are numerous photographs, firsthand accounts, and videos that this happened. You could fill a fucking library with the evidence. It has nothing to with ideology or some conspiracy. Accepting that Jews were killed in the Holocaust does not make you a Zionist pawn. I think its irritating when Hitler comparisons are flippantly made, and I don't think the Holocaust gives Israel a blank check to do whatever it wants and intertwine its foreign policy with ours, but people misusing the past for political gain like SJWs do does not negate events of the past. To me this line of thinking is almost on par with We wuz Kangz and Ancient Aliens. Ironically, diehard Communists and Social Justice types will often do the same thing to downplay Stalin's and Mao's famines. They will try to act like any evidence for this stuff is all just capitalist spin, even though tens of millions of people died. It is absurd. There is as much evidence for the Holocaust as there is for the American Civil War. That doesn't mean that you have to convert to Judaism and donate 10 million dollars to Harvey Rosenblatt Shoah foundation. You can draw whatever political and historical lessons you want from it, but denying its existence is picking a stupid hill to die on.

[Ex-California]

I don't know what this thread is about? I've visited Buchenvald & Dachau in Germany. Doubt very much that "millions" were executed in either, though obviously at least thousands were. The scariest place I've been is Cambodia's Killing Fields. Even there, ten thousand maybe?

Pol Pot killed at least a million of his own people. The Nazis killed several million Jews, and other people from countries in Europe like Poland, Ukraine, and Yugoslavia. There are numerous photographs, firsthand accounts, and videos that this happened. It has nothing to with ideology or some conspiracy. Accepting that Jews were killed in the Holocaust does not make you a Zionist pawn. I think its irritating when Hitler comparisons are flippantly made, and I don't think the Holocaust gives Israel a blank check to do whatever it wants and intertwine its foreign policy with ours, but people misusing the past for political gain like SJWs do does not negate events of the past. To me this line of thinking is almost on par with We wuz Kangz and Ancient Aliens. Ironically, diehard Communists and Social Justice types will often do the same thing to downplay Stalin's and Mao's famines. They will try to act like any evidence for this stuff is all just capitalist spin, even though tens of millions of people died. It is absurd. There is as much evidence for the Holocaust as there is for the American Civil War. That doesn't mean that you have to convert to Judaism and donate 10 million dollars to Harvey Rosenblatt Shoah foundation. You can draw whatever political and historical lessons you want from it, but denying its existence is picking a stupid hill to die on.

[TheReal_ND]

Nobody denies the camps. Just the myths and the flimsy stories.

[TheReal_ND]

Just pisses you off when you finally figure out that yet another reason white people are evil is largely fictitious. It's illegal to question the holocoaster. In many countries btw. It's like beleiving a history of South Africa or Rhodesia as written by the most communist of black rebel fighters unquestionably. Its possible to disagree with the general premise of what actually happened and be pissed off by the lies at the same time. Trump just got them to half the concentration camp death toll btw. They fucking added several million non Jews and admitted they did it to illicit more sympathy in a time when Jews weren't as highly regarded as today.

Watch the video I posted or continue to fuck your head idc

[Martin Hash]

I too accepted the "6 million" thing without reservation, why shouldn't I? I was a child, and adults only taught me things that were true, didn't they?

HERE'S MY FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE:
S-21 in Phnom Penh was the primary torture center, and Choeung Ek was probably the biggest Killing Field. The Khmer Rouge kept meticulous records: like I said, maybe 10,000 went through there. Yes, supposedly millions died of starvation in the countryside, and that's the number that gets used.

Dachau had a gas chamber & an on-site museum yet it never claimed many executions, and nothing they had posted would have led you to believe otherwise, and Dachau was a biggie.
Something over 50,000 TOTAL died at Buchenwald, the largest Concentration Camp, most from exhaustion, starvation & disease, only a fraction of which were Jewish.
Even if you multiply these known numbers by the number of camps, you'd be far short of even a million of anybody, let alone Jews.

The question isn't, were Jews killed? It's how much have we been propagandized? IDK, I can only tell you what I saw.