The Property Clause and Its Discontents: Lessons from the Malheur Occupation

[Okeefenokee]

Won't somebody think of the savages?

[C-Mag]

The Property Clause and Its Discontents: Lessons from the Malheur Occupation

Michael Blumm - 43 Ecology L.Q. 781 (2016)
Abstract

This is not true and there is historical precedence as well.

Docterine of the Equality of States
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/a ... tates.html

State’s act of admission a clause providing that the State enters the Union “on an equal footing with the original States in all respects

Since the U.S. Constitution mandates that states be equal in sovereignty, a state like Nevada could easily argue that having 90% of it land in Federal hands is unfair based on land ownership percentage in Eastern states.
In addition the Equal Footing clause reinforces this case.

in United States v. Texas. 285 Since the original States had been found not to own the soil under the three mile belt, Texas, which concededly did own this soil before its annexation to the United States, was held to have surrendered its dominion and sovereignty over it, upon entering the Union on terms of equality with the existing States. - See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/article ... nn8YG.dpuf

In the 1820s Missouri was 90% government owned like Nevada and they weren't alone. Florida and Illinois were others that came together and argued it was unfair to have their states economic potential controlled by far away Washington DC. And obviously they won. It is merely time to repeat history and give Western States the same fair shot at self determination that other states have gotten.

So people who had not yet completely exterminated the savages, who were already there, were mad when our national government told them "No, you can't have the all the territories to yourself"?

The sheer injustice of not allowing the greed of the settlers to run free.

To Hell with the government. What about the Free Market? What about Capitalism? How unAmerican!

What in the Hell are you talking about ?

[Okeefenokee]

savages, savages, barely even human.

[Speaker to Animals]

The government owns all that land because western states would not really even be habitable for large populations of civilized people without massive government and corporate subsidies. That's why you see weird situations like tarp man where a guy hates government, but depends upon government for his daily existence at the same time.

The far west either has to be dependent upon government or corporations. A lot of them chose corporations.

Living "free" out there is a fucking pipe dream.

[jbird4049]

This is not true and there is historical precedence as well.

Docterine of the Equality of States
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/a ... tates.html


Since the U.S. Constitution mandates that states be equal in sovereignty, a state like Nevada could easily argue that having 90% of it land in Federal hands is unfair based on land ownership percentage in Eastern states.
In addition the Equal Footing clause reinforces this case.

In the 1820s Missouri was 90% government owned like Nevada and they weren't alone. Florida and Illinois were others that came together and argued it was unfair to have their states economic potential controlled by far away Washington DC. And obviously they won. It is merely time to repeat history and give Western States the same fair shot at self determination that other states have gotten.

So people who had not yet completely exterminated the savages, who were already there, were mad when our national government told them "No, you can't have the all the territories to yourself"?

The sheer injustice of not allowing the greed of the settlers to run free.

To Hell with the government. What about the Free Market? What about Capitalism? How unAmerican!

What in the Hell are you talking about ?

Satire?

I was trying to copy some Americans' extremely narcissistic, and egotistical, macho-man greed. We do tend, more than most, to believe that no one else really real, let alone matters, and that successful people did it aaalll on their own. It's the parent of libertarianism.

[de officiis]

The government owns all that land because western states would not really even be habitable for large populations of civilized people without massive government and corporate subsidies. That's why you see weird situations like tarp man where a guy hates government, but depends upon government for his daily existence at the same time.

The far west either has to be dependent upon government or corporations. A lot of them chose corporations.

Living "free" out there is a fucking pipe dream.

Yes, it's a love/hate relationship.

[C-Mag]

So people who had not yet completely exterminated the savages, who were already there, were mad when our national government told them "No, you can't have the all the territories to yourself"?

The sheer injustice of not allowing the greed of the settlers to run free.

To Hell with the government. What about the Free Market? What about Capitalism? How unAmerican!

What in the Hell are you talking about ?

Satire?

I was trying to copy some Americans' extremely narcissistic, and egotistical, macho-man greed. We do tend, more than most, to believe that no one else really real, let alone matters, and that successful people did it aaalll on their own. It's the parent of libertarianism.

Fair enough, Satyr on

[C-Mag]

The government owns all that land because western states would not really even be habitable for large populations of civilized people without massive government and corporate subsidies. That's why you see weird situations like tarp man where a guy hates government, but depends upon government for his daily existence at the same time.

The far west either has to be dependent upon government or corporations. A lot of them chose corporations.

Living "free" out there is a fucking pipe dream.

That's a guess.
I won't disagree about tarpman, but without government controlling the means of production in these states, we might very well have far fewer tarpmen.

[Speaker to Animals]

There wouldn't hardly be anybody living there, dude.

[C-Mag]

There wouldn't hardly be anybody living there, dude.

I disagree.
Some of these states had the highest per capita income before Federal control shut down the means of production.