Recent Trends in Corporate Personhood and the Overexpansion of Corporate Rights

[Fife]

Do you agree with the holding in NYT v. Sullivan?

[Martin Hash]

I have an ideology that I've shared here many times. It doesn't exactly match up with America's implementation. Martin Hash's ideology is that only people have Rights. (Legal fictions have legal protections that are always secondary to the Rights of people.)

There are many people who have other priorities but I'm betting if we run our society-simulation programs side-by-side, theirs collapses from poor logic.

[Fife]

So you disagree with NYT v. Sullivan?

[Martin Hash]

R U going to make me read a case?!

In general, legal decisions protecting businesses by evoking Rights could have used Commerce Clause instead.

[Fife]

Mob rule, then.


Okie dokie, I"ll pass.

[Martin Hash]

Mob rule, then.

Yeah, democracy. It sucks when other people's opinions matter.

[Fife]

Just stay on the right side of the 50%. You'll do fine, I'm sure.

[TheOneX]

Sorry for going back to page one.

People have Rights, corporations should not.

I disagree with this, corporations should have rights, they should just be very limited. A corporation should have the freedom of speech just like a human, but it shouldn't include political donations, which isn't speech/expression to begin with. If you take away freedom of speech from corporations, then suddenly the government can censor what a corporation says. This means press that isn't an individual working on their own can be censored. Even then individuals would have issues as most of the ways they communicate with the public is through corporation owned mediums that would then be able to be censored. It is just as important for a corporation to have freedom of speech as it is a human. This is true for basically every single right in the bill of rights. It is important for corporations to have rights because those corporations having rights protects the rights of individuals. If Google didn't have the right to privacy then all of the data they collected about you would be free for the government to confiscate without a warrant.

I can only think of two rights that corporations shouldn't have the right to donate to political candidates, and the right to discriminate. I think those rights are forfeit when you gain government protection.

[Martin Hash]

Just stay on the right side of the 50%. You'll do fine, I'm sure.

Dude, that's what I'm trying to save. You seem to think that the majority of Americans are okay with the concentration of wealth, the hollowing of the Middle Class, and a healthcare system that serves those trying to make a profit rather than provide healthcare. The Dems overshot with their Marxism but they only need edge back toward sanity and socialism will become the default. The Right needs to take The Center, not the other way around.

[Martin Hash]

Sorry for going back to page one.

People have Rights, corporations should not.

I disagree with this, corporations should have rights, they should just be very limited. A corporation should have the freedom of speech just like a human, but it shouldn't include political donations, which isn't speech/expression to begin with. If you take away freedom of speech from corporations, then suddenly the government can censor what a corporation says. This means press that isn't an individual working on their own can be censored. Even then individuals would have issues as most of the ways they communicate with the public is through corporation owned mediums that would then be able to be censored. It is just as important for a corporation to have freedom of speech as it is a human. This is true for basically every single right in the bill of rights. It is important for corporations to have rights because those corporations having rights protects the rights of individuals. If Google didn't have the right to privacy then all of the data they collected about you would be free for the government to confiscate without a warrant.

I can only think of two rights that corporations shouldn't have the right to donate to political candidates, and the right to discriminate. I think those rights are forfeit when you gain government protection.

Cool, a lot of people believe that. Read the title of this thread for the threat you face. You welcome it, you deserve it.