Steve Bannon’s styrofoam balls

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Steve Bannon’s styrofoam balls

Post by adwinistrator » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:27 am

I posted this in the Flynn thread, but thought it could use it's own. I think this really hits the nail on the head, pointing to the first strategic communications misstep of the Trump administration. They've already tried to change their tune, but the initial statements out of the White House let the cat out of the bag, and a lot of users here seemed to notice it immediately.
Steve Bannon’s styrofoam balls
It's not like reality gives up easily, and lets you roll over it. That's Distortion Field 101.
Press Think - Jay Rosen - 15 Feb 2017 1:27 PM

I will be brief because — like the news itself — I’m moving quickly today.

For a moment there I thought these guys were serious about treating the news media as “the opposition party” and trying to remove it as a check on power. That seemed to be the plan. They had the pieces in place. But when Michael Flynn was vanquished from the White House they revealed to us that for now at least they’re unable go through with it.

Here’s Greg Sargent:
Trump’s top adviser Stephen K. Bannon has offered up sublime bluster about how the news media has “no power,” arguing that its aggressive reporting on the Trump White House reflects nothing more than panicked media elite shrieking about the “new political order” that Trump is raising out of the ashes of the corrupt old order. As I’ve argued, the Trump White House has established — as an explicit, actionable doctrine — the goal of trying to obliterate the possibility of agreement on the news media’s legitimate institutional role in informing the citizenry, and even on facts and reality itself.
I agree: That’s what they’re trying to do. But if you’re going to do it, you have to really do it. It’s not like reality gives up easily, and lets you roll right over it. You can’t just say to the national press “you’re fake news” and “so biased no one believes you” like some once-in-a-generation tough guy and then when it gets really tough switch back to freaking out over what’s in the news.

The way they’re acting, you’d think these guys had never transcended reality or slipped the bonds of surly pundits before. Look at this report: should have a ‘pitiful if true’ sticker on it.
According to three people close to Mr. Trump, the president made the decision to cast aside Mr. Flynn in a flash, the catalyst being a news alert of a coming article about the matter.

“Yeah, it’s time,” Mr. Trump told one of his advisers.
The trigger was a news report? That’s not how you do it. Leaks that are published in the fake news media (Trump’s term) are fake leaks! You have to call them that. And you have to act on that understanding. As soon as you let on that you’re using the news media the way other people do — to find out what’s happening, for real — you’re showing reality that it can roll you. I can’t believe I have to explain this to a Graduated Leninist like Steve Bannon, but I guess I do. Here are the steps:
  1. “This isn’t happening.” Basic stuff! Anyone who says it is happening is off the team, outside the circle of power. These stories about Mike Flynn connecting with Russian officials, talking about sanctions on Russia, lying about it to the Vice President: that’s the biased media being the opposition party and spreading misinformation again. Like the news is fake, the sources are fake. If these “government officials” know so much, let them identify themselves. If there are recordings, where are they? Anyone can fake a transcript. Etc.
  2. We are not the investigated, we investigate! You don’t fire your guy because journalists report he’s a liar and a cheat. That’s reality-based. You’re against all that, remember? You keep him in his post and start digging into who’s leaking and receiving the nation’s secrets. Every time the press asks about the Flynn mess you brag about how far-reaching your leak investigation is. They say Flynn’s calls were monitored? Well, we know how to monitor calls to find out who’s passing you this fake information. Drop the hint. This is Distortion Field 101, fellas.
  3. No one in the press or the DC establishment will believe you; that’s the whole point! Incredulity is their gift to you. The opposition party is everyone who listens to the news and says: actually, this Flynn thing is happening. The more shocked and voluble they are, the better for you as our polarizers-in-chief. The wind of their insistence gives lift to your resistance. Didn’t your instructor in Wedge Tectonics go over any of this?
  4. Supporters have to either a.) join in calling it fake news or b.) face spiritual collapse. You used to understand this. Back when you were on your game, like during the Sean Spicer debut. You let everyone on your side know the deal… Wanna be on the team? Then look at those pictures and see larger crowds for Trump. For that’s the price. Price too high? Then you can step off right now. Here, you want the worm of doubt to creep up a little— so it can be banished by core supporters. (And there’s frisson in that.) You gesture toward cognitive dissonance so extreme it would crush normal people, as in: the man who ‘tells it like it is’ lies constantly, about everything. You flash that fact, they flee it. Win for you.
If that’s winning, this is losing. Greg Sargent again:
This Flynn episode suggests that facts and reality do matter. The Trump White House is not invulnerable to them. A dogged and determined press corps can indeed ferret them out, notwithstanding the White House’s efforts to render them meaningless and irrelevant — or indeed to make them disappear.
He’s right. They got rolled by reality, as if reality had that kind of muscle! But what stands out for me is: Bannon, Trump, Miller, Conway, Spicer, the inner circle: they didn’t even try to show reality that it can be rolled. Let’s go over it again: You act as though this isn’t happening. You threaten to investigate those who document that it is. You remind the press that it has no power because it was humiliated in 2016. They remonstrate, you escalate. Use the pundit shows and briefing room to polarize. Cognitive dissonance takes care of your party and core supporters, but you have to show reality who’s boss.

Bannon is the one who surprises me. He pushed for Flynn’s firing? That’s standard eliminate-a-rival behavior, exactly what an establishment climber would do. He’s no Lenin. Turns out he has balls of styrofoam, and I think I know the reason. He reads the New York Times and Washington Post with fear in his heart. Like normal people in power do.

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Re: Steve Bannon’s styrofoam balls

Post by Dand » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:41 am

It's the definition of concern trolling. This Trump-hating Rosen is giving advice to Trump's administration? Sounds like a good sign to me if Trump's enemies don't like his strategy.

The article is a smug joke and just an obtuse way to call him a totalitarian and a liar. Nice projection Rosen.

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Post by adwinistrator » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:01 am

Dand wrote:It's the definition of concern trolling. This Trump-hating Rosen is giving advice to Trump's administration? Sounds like a good sign to me if Trump's enemies don't like his strategy.

The article is a smug joke and just an obtuse way to call him a totalitarian and a liar. Nice projection Rosen.
Obviously Rosen is critical of the Trump administration, this article was never meant to be considered "advice". He's pointing to a big misstep in the way the White House explained their decision to ask for and accept Flynn's resignation.

I hear all the time from Trump supporters about Bannon's genius strategic communications, getting the media to play into their hands, taking the bait, etc. Rosen is speaking about that strategy, the media as opposition, and how they completely dropped the ball.

The Trump administration has already switched their story to "fake news, fake leaks", but that would mean that Trump lost trust for Flynn because of "fake news"...

Users here noticed this right away, though their statements pointing to this mistake used the shorthand "cuck".

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Re: Steve Bannon’s styrofoam balls

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:15 am

Huh?

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Post by adwinistrator » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:42 am

TheReal_ND wrote:Huh?
they can't un-shit this bed...

"The leaks are real but the news about them is fake."

I fired Flynn because of a lack of trust, but all the reports about him are fake?

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Re: Steve Bannon’s styrofoam balls

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:46 am

Who cares? The reporting regarding the leaks is fucking terrible. I'm listening to Trump's presser right now and he's fucking right.

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Post by de officiis » Thu May 25, 2017 4:50 am

Frontline podcast about Steve Bannon...still working my way through it.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/bannons-war/
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Re: Steve Bannon’s styrofoam balls

Post by clubgop » Fri May 26, 2017 4:54 am

adwinistrator wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:Huh?
they can't un-shit this bed...

"The leaks are real but the news about them is fake."

I fired Flynn because of a lack of trust, but all the reports about him are fake?
This isnt about strategic communications. This isnt about Trump or Bannon. This is about the rise and fall of MSM. Presidential candidates and administrations would bend and sway with every report, but now they are just a majority stakeholder in a political party who is at the ebb of power. Trump didnt do this, GOP didnt do that, no one but the dishonest hacks like the OP are to blame.