Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 am

Oh, you mean "fascistic eugenics paradigm"? That's not being harsh, merely stating a fact, blatantly fascistic eugenics paradigm, dictionary definition of.
Our libertarian and conservative thinkers are the ones that fight eugenics the hardest which is ironic considering Republicans are always the ones being called Hitler. I have mixed feelings about it personally but I'm starting to come around to the idea. I simply wouldn't trust the current state with any such tool.
You realize that this, Animal Farm and Brave New World are required reading curriculum in high school and not cult classics right?

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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by LVH2 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:54 am

It's not an either or question. More blacks than you'd think hate hip hop and gang culture.

But, there are obvious structural and historical elements feeding it all. I assume we all know the war on drugs hit blacks the hardest. Guess what. If your dad is in jail for selling pot, your upbringing takes a hit.

The school to prison pipeline is real. Saw it first hand. You start building a criminal record for cutting class, getting into fights, or drinking beer. In other words, fairly normal behavior. You take a marginal kid and push him into the CJ system and the results are obvious.

I think there are deeper problems, as part of the cycle of poverty, that seem most intense among blacks, for whatever reason. An obvious example being nutrition and obesity.

I think I told this one but maybe not. I drove three black people to California for work, mostly on 2 lane freeways. Nice people. Funny and smart. You might say they were a bit hood, but they lived in places as nice, or nicer than the one I do.

So, none of them are wearing seatbelts and they go into this bit about how they don't need them because I'm a good driver. The last guy the went to California with was a bad driver, and for him, they wore their seatbelts.

So, obviously, I'm like WTF? These people were about 30, 45 and 55. In 2016, who doesn't wear a seatbelt, especially going 70mph in 2 way traffic? What kind of insane thought process leads you to conclude that seat belts are not needed with a good driver?

So, when I get home I look it up and evidently, blacks wear seat belts less than other people. The NAACP had a little initiative encouraging people to wear them.

Needless to say, there are no NWA songs about how cool it is to not buckle up. Nor have whites tried to convince blacks to not buckle up. There's something deeper.

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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by LVH2 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:56 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
You realize that this, Animal Farm and Brave New World are required reading curriculum in high school and not cult classics right?
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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:03 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
Oh, you mean "fascistic eugenics paradigm"? That's not being harsh, merely stating a fact, blatantly fascistic eugenics paradigm, dictionary definition of.
Our libertarian and conservative thinkers are the ones that fight eugenics the hardest which is ironic considering Republicans are always the ones being called Hitler. I have mixed feelings about it personally but I'm starting to come around to the idea. I simply wouldn't trust the current state with any such tool.
I never accused principled conservatives of being fascistic eugenicists, obviously state enforced eugenics is a radically socialistic authoritarian overreach of mammoth proportions, I don't think Republicans are particularly conservative neither, and I wouldn't confuse you with a principled conservartive, as all your principles are quite felixible based on your rather quasi-fascistic revanchist ethnocentricity.

And as for Adolf Hitler? Nothing conservative about him, he was a radical revolutionary intent on wiping out the established order right down to its DNA.
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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:05 am

I never accused you of such a thing mate. Just wanted to point out that interesting er... irony or what have you.

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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:14 am

TheReal_ND wrote:I never accused you of such a thing mate. Just wanted to point out that interesting er... irony or what have you.
Ah, well, I don't think irony is appropriate, irony is another term which is grossly misapplied in popular culture today, people often say irony when what they are referring to is actually coincendental, for example; "Adolf Hitler was a demagogue, Donald Trump is a demagogue, ergo, Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler."

It's not ironic to invoke Donald Trump as being a demagogue, like almost all politicians, he is of course a demogogue, so invoking him as such would not be ironic, it is coincidental that Adolf Hitler, like almost all politicians, was also a demagogue, hence the conflation is coincidental rather than ironic.
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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:15 am

Smitty-48 wrote:I'm not being harsh, Orwellian has simply become a term which is grossly misapplied in popular culture today, people now often invoke Orwellian to refer to any sort of dystopian and/or authoritarian tropes, but that is not what Orwellian refers to.

Oh, you mean "fascistic eugenics paradigm"? That's not being harsh, merely stating a fact, blatantly fascistic eugenics paradigm, dictionary definition of.

If skankhunt doesn't have the courage of that conviction, that's not my problem, if he is want to contest that description, he's welcome to, but that was not even subtle, if somebody shoots their mouth off like that, they should have the courage of their convictions to own it, not have a beef with me for calling a spade a spade.

Obviously, what skankhunt meant to say is "I don't mean to sound Orwellian, but we need to encourage better family planning." ;)
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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:17 am

irony is another term which is grossly misapplied
I know and I don't care because irony has come to fill the useful void that is "funny, sometimes contradictory, coincidence." Classical sense be damned. In fact, I've almost never heard anyone use the term irony as it was meant. Probably never have. Which is ironic now that I think of it...

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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:21 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
irony is another term which is grossly misapplied
I know and I don't care because irony has come to fill the useful void that is "funny, sometimes contradictory, coincidence." Classical sense be damned.
As I said, I would never confuse you with a principled conservative.
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Re: Guardian Article re Localization of Gun Violence

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:24 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:I'm not being harsh, Orwellian has simply become a term which is grossly misapplied in popular culture today, people now often invoke Orwellian to refer to any sort of dystopian and/or authoritarian tropes, but that is not what Orwellian refers to.

Oh, you mean "fascistic eugenics paradigm"? That's not being harsh, merely stating a fact, blatantly fascistic eugenics paradigm, dictionary definition of.

If skankhunt doesn't have the courage of that conviction, that's not my problem, if he is want to contest that description, he's welcome to, but that was not even subtle, if somebody shoots their mouth off like that, they should have the courage of their convictions to own it, not have a beef with me for calling a spade a spade.
Obviously, what skankhunt meant to say is "I don't mean to sound Orwellian, but we need to encourage better family planning." ;)
Indeed, the eugenic Ministry of Family Planning, now that, would be Orwellian.
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