When Will the World be Relieved of this Scourge?

[SuburbanFarmer]

"A republic, if you can keep it."

^^^ Presupposes your obligation to defend it. If you are unwilling to fight for the republic, then you already gave up on it. Why should you then have a vote in it?

Just leave me out of it.

Then pack your shit and stop benefiting from it.

Make me, genius. That whole 'silent majority' that you're always clawing for? That's what we're all thinking.

If you think I'm going to uproot the family out of some shameful duty, in favor of another country that I prefer, there isn't one. Canada looks marginally better, but not worth the trouble of moving everything for. Don't worry though, I still payed my taxes to the Ponz, so you can have your bennys too.

[Montegriffo]

"A republic, if you can keep it."

^^^ Presupposes your obligation to defend it. If you are unwilling to fight for the republic, then you already gave up on it. Why should you then have a vote in it?

Just leave me out of it.

Then pack your shit and stop benefiting from it.

So, you are willing to disenfranchise huge portions of the population? Blind people, the disabled, gays presumably as you wouldn't have them in the DSL army, women, people with flat feet, those with learning difficulties. Not only that you want anyone not prepared to fight to leave the country? Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds?

[Speaker to Animals]

Apparently, it's quite easy to get rid of you. Just start drafting men to fight ISIS. You'd be in Germany inside of a year.

[Speaker to Animals]

Just leave me out of it.

Then pack your shit and stop benefiting from it.

So, you are willing to disenfranchise huge portions of the population? Blind people, the disabled, gays presumably as you wouldn't have them in the DSL army, women, people with flat feet, those with learning difficulties. Not only that you want anyone not prepared to fight to leave the country? Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds?

Yes. I have no problem disenfranchising people who do not wish to serve. I would open armed forces up to all. I am sure I can find things for the disabled to do there, and I don't really give a shit if gays serve. Nor do I think it would be a huge problem, as the vast majority of these people would just as soon give up the right to vote than to sacrifice anything for society.

[BjornP]

"A republic, if you can keep it."

^^^ Presupposes your obligation to defend it. If you are unwilling to fight for the republic, then you already gave up on it. Why should you then have a vote in it?

While I don't agree with GCF's view of either military service or patriotism (see jbird's excellent response, btw), isn't at least part of the idea of your 2nd Amendment that you don't need a standing army to defend against foreign invaders? As a matter of fact, if you wanted to be truly traditionalist and disenfranchise citizens as per the original constitution, voting rights ought to be tied to wealth and land ownership. So, if you rent and if you're on public assistance, you don't get to vote? How's that sound, instead?

[Speaker to Animals]

"A republic, if you can keep it."

^^^ Presupposes your obligation to defend it. If you are unwilling to fight for the republic, then you already gave up on it. Why should you then have a vote in it?

While I don't agree with GCF's view of either military service or patriotism (see jbird's excellent response, btw), isn't at least part of the idea of your 2nd Amendment that you don't need a standing army to defend against foreign invaders? As a matter of fact, if you wanted to be truly traditionalist and disenfranchise citizens as per the original constitution, voting rights ought to be tied to wealth and land ownership. So, if you rent and if you're on public assistance, you don't get to vote? How's that sound, instead?

That's exactly what it means. All military-aged males in the United States were responsible to fight. It was similar to the older English system of requiring all males to train with longbows after Sunday masses and be prepared to serve in an archer company.

A guy like GCF would have been tarred and feathered, and sent packing for Canada.

[Okeefenokee]

"A republic, if you can keep it."

^^^ Presupposes your obligation to defend it. If you are unwilling to fight for the republic, then you already gave up on it. Why should you then have a vote in it?

While I don't agree with GCF's view of either military service or patriotism (see jbird's excellent response, btw), isn't at least part of the idea of your 2nd Amendment that you don't need a standing army to defend against foreign invaders? As a matter of fact, if you wanted to be truly traditionalist and disenfranchise citizens as per the original constitution, voting rights ought to be tied to wealth and land ownership. So, if you rent and if you're on public assistance, you don't get to vote? How's that sound, instead?

That would be easier to abuse. The extremely rich can muscle a lot of people out of the housing market to monopolize the vote. They aren't gonna force everyone out of the army to do the same.

[Speaker to Animals]

I gave this some thought over recent years, and I am convinced that land ownership is better suited as a prerequisite for state and local government. At the federal level, you should be a veteran to vote or serve. At the local level, I think you should be a property owner.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Apparently, it's quite easy to get rid of you. Just start drafting men to fight ISIS. You'd be in Germany inside of a year.

In the event of a draft for anything other than a defensive war, yes, I'd be out of here rather quickly. Enjoy your war!

Yes. I have no problem disenfranchising people who do not wish to serve. I would open armed forces up to all. I am sure I can find things for the disabled to do there, and I don't really give a shit if gays serve. Nor do I think it would be a huge problem, as the vast majority of these people would just as soon give up the right to vote than to sacrifice anything for society.

We sacrifice every fucking day for society. Every time I climb in my car at sunrise, commute, sit in a cube and eat shit for 8 hours, and then pay a quarter of my income for the privilege without blowing something up, is a sacrifice for society. Real men sacrifice all fucking day, every day - for family, for society, for honor and duty. Not bray about some childish fantasy of 'manhood' and how they won't 'take no shit' in their little trailer piled high in Bud Light cans. If you want to die on a battlefield for Exxon-Mobile, then do it. Leave the rest of us alone, as we prop up what little remains of the society you pretend to care about.

[Speaker to Animals]

What makes you think, having disenfranchised the nonveterans, we would even end up in these pointless wars any longer? Who do you think causes this? It's not people like Okie.