CA Minimum Wage is Bad for Workers? Inconceivable!!

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CA Minimum Wage is Bad for Workers? Inconceivable!!

Post by Fife » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:22 pm

Time for some more 10th grade economics:

Leaving for Las Vegas: California's minimum wage law leaves businesses no choice

Still, if not for the $15 minimum wage, I’d have zero interest in leaving California. In some ways, it’s an ideal time to make clothing here. There's a huge demand for American-made apparel, and the industry infrastructure that exists in Los Angeles — from garment makers to sewing machine repairmen — is difficult to find elsewhere. But businesses can’t operate at a loss.


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When you artificially inflate a price, you screw the seller whose product isn't IRL worth the artificial price. People will buy elsewhere, or buy something else. Every single time. The price of labor is like the price of butter. Marxists and other labor theorists disagree, but of course they are wrong. Real world outcomes are demonstrative proof.

Unless you are willing to completely destroy the market and go balls-out commie, there is no escape from this outcome. In which case you get a different set of outcomes, see, e.g., Somolia.


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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:23 pm

Maybe the workers can just be forced into human kennels and paid whatever the market will bear. That should work longterm.

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Post by Fife » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:47 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Maybe the workers can just be forced into human kennels and paid whatever the market will bear. That should work longterm.

Why does every "solution" have to involve force, and never freedom?

Your thinking on this topic, that the only answer for cronyist force is yet more force imposed for the use and benefit of the biggest and baddest cronies--to the detriment of the poorest among us, has always escaped me.

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Re: CA Minimum Wage is Bad for Workers? Inconceivable!!

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:54 pm

Fife wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Maybe the workers can just be forced into human kennels and paid whatever the market will bear. That should work longterm.

Why does every "solution" have to involve force, and never freedom?

Your thinking on this topic, that the only answer for cronyist force is yet more force imposed for the use and benefit of the biggest and baddest cronies--to the detriment of the poorest among us, has always escaped me.
(1) Read this guy for a complete answer:

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(2) My thinking on this topic is NOT that "the only answer for cronyist force is yet more force imposed for the use and benefit of the biggest and baddest cronies". I am pointing out that your solutions WILL NOT WORK.

If your answer amounts to let them eat cake on their fifty cent per day wages, then I am telling you right now, people are going to start hanging guys like you in the public square before long. Nobody is going to want to live in a human kennel and working for ten cents per hour while the bossman lives it up on all the surplus when they can just form tribes and live as outlaws.

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Re: CA Minimum Wage is Bad for Workers? Inconceivable!!

Post by Fife » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:03 pm

So let's just outlaw every person being allowed to work for $14.99 / hour if they would like to. Looks like its working out great for those garment workers and their families in California.

If you want to end corporatism, sign me up bro. If you want to outlaw workers from having a job, and thereby putting them into the boxes, digging post-holes, and sitting in government classes on diversity and feminine virtue, then I'll pass.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:08 pm

Fife wrote:So let's just outlaw every person being allowed to work for $14.99 / hour if they would like to. Looks like its working out great for those garment workers and their families in California.

If you want to end corporatism, sign me up bro. If you want to outlaw workers from having a job, and thereby putting them into the boxes, digging post-holes, and sitting in government classes on diversity and feminine virtue, then I'll pass.

You still go on as if this is an either-or issue. Both solutions suck, man. Let's talk about Solutions Charlie, Delta, Echo, and more. Abel and Bravo are shit.

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Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:09 pm

Just saw an article claiming Seattle's unemployment has been trending downwards fwiw.

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Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:58 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:Just saw an article claiming Seattle's unemployment has been trending downwards fwiw.
Seattle is not the median.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:05 pm

Seattle is Seattle. Georgia is still trending up however.

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Post by Fife » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:20 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:Just saw an article claiming Seattle's unemployment has been trending downwards fwiw.

Heard it in the Fake News Daily. :goteam:

Back to your motte, frog. Tell us about non-Seattleites starving in the streets.

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