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Post by pineapplemike » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:29 pm

Michael Tracey @mtracey on twitter, going through the Mueller Report, asking questions, making observations:
Mueller's staff spent hours and hours interviewing crazy people like Jerome Corsi, but for some reason didn't seek out allegedly key players in the collusion conspiracy like Assange or Kilimnik (whose receipt of polling data from Manafort was supposed to be a smoking gun.) Why?

Mueller asserts that Kilimnik met with Manafort in Madrid on February 26, 2017. Manafort initially denied this, but then apparently admitted to it under pressure. Kilimnik says he has never been to Madrid. Why didn't Mueller seek out Kilimnik to resolve this bizarre discrepancy?

Kilimnik reportedly lives in Moscow. But he says he would have voluntarily cooperated with Mueller. And further, Mueller saw no issue with indicting other Russian nationals (such as GRU figures and social media proprietors) who will almost certainly never appear in US court
Mueller's basis for concluding that Papadopoulos willfully lied is so weak. He joined the Trump campaign on March 6, 2016 and misidentified the timing of his first meeting with Mifsud by 8 days: March 14, 2016. (Establishing willfulness is required per the relevant statute)

Mueller further alleges that Papadopoulos describing Mifsud as full of "BS" was another "lie." But Mifsud failed to deliver on any of the Russian "connections" he promised Pap. So in that sense, Mifusd was in fact "BS'ing." Construing this as a material, willful lie is ridiculous

Papadopoulos voluntarily told FBI agents about his meeting with Misfud, so why would he willfully lie about something as trivial as the date, when he proactively reported to them Mifsud's bombshell revelation about Russians supposedly having "dirt" and "emails" on Hillary?

Mueller says Mifsud made false statements to investigators. So why didn't Mueller charge him with a crime? Mueller charged numerous other foreign nationals, including some who almost certainly will never show up in US court, with a variety of crimes, including false statements

None of it makes sense. Strains credulity that the charges against Papadopoulos would've held up at trial had he not pleaded guilty (which Mueller's team aggressively pressured him to do). Also lends credence to Pap's theory that he was the "fall guy" for a flailing investigation
Mueller cites two media reports, by strident Russiagaters Julia Ioffe and Ken Dilanian, related to a "meeting" Sessions supposedly had with Kislyak on April 27, 2016. Ioffe and Dilanian use innuendo to cast the meeting as highly suspicious. Muller concludes it was inconsequential

This "undisclosed meeting" caused one of thousands of media meltdowns in 2017, and led to Sessions' recusal. Mueller says it was essentially a brief exchange of pleasantries at a public event. Just as "skeptics" had said all along was the most plausible explanation.
Mueller asserts that the GRU hacked DNC/Podesta, but he doesn't establish a chain of custody whereby the hacked materials were transferred to WikiLeaks. In fact, he explicitly leaves open the possibility that a non-state actor (as Assange always claimed) transferred the materials

Furthermore, this redacted passage is curious. What's with the "although" qualifier? And why didn't Mueller seek to interview Assange, who is cast as a key figure in the entire matter? He interviewed hundreds of people who played even the most tangential roles. Why not Assange?

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There's not a single mention of Maria Butina anywhere in the Mueller Report. Yet she was subject to one of the most disgusting, sexist smear campaigns in memory (labeled a transactional slut) because of the vague impression that she was implicated in "Russian interference." Sick

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Post by pineapplemike » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:07 pm

Mueller essentially states that he would've had to invent a brand new theory of conspiracy law to charge Don Jr. and Kushner for the Trump Tower meeting. He cites the potential First Amendment-chilling implications of such a prosecution. Dems, however, exhibit no such concerns
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Post by PartyOf5 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:02 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:33 pm
...so you're saying anti-Trump memes have no value and I'm a partisan hack.
:think:
So you're saying..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: As soon as I see that I know you've got it wrong.

Posting nothing but memes has no value to the discussion and yes you are a partisan hack. You prove it all the time. Hey, at least you got it half right this time.

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Post by Haumana » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:04 pm

Long interview with Papadopoulos. I'm not sure what to make of it or him. He doesn't come off as the sharpest tool in the shed but if the crux of his story is true, and some of his predictions come to fruition, things might even get more interesting. :popcorn:


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Post by BjornP » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:40 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:02 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:33 pm
...so you're saying anti-Trump memes have no value and I'm a partisan hack.
:think:
So you're saying..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: As soon as I see that I know you've got it wrong.

Posting nothing but memes has no value to the discussion and yes you are a partisan hack. You prove it all the time. Hey, at least you got it half right this time.
Exatly. You don't ask someone you're debating with if X is what they're saying. You simply state that it is and keep on arguing for the rest of a discussion like your opponent's arguing in favor of X.
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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:19 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:20 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:07 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:00 am
Hey Monte, seeing a lot of memes from you on this subject. What's your opinion on the Mueller investigation conclusions?
Honestly?
I've not read it.

The conclusions drawn seem to depend on who's writing them.
So what you're saying is all your meme posting is nothing more than trolling.
So what you're saying is that any statement beginning with ''so what you're saying'' is full of shit?
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Post by StCapps » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:50 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:19 am
PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:20 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:07 am


Honestly?
I've not read it.

The conclusions drawn seem to depend on who's writing them.
So what you're saying is all your meme posting is nothing more than trolling.
So what you're saying is that any statement beginning with ''so what you're saying'' is full of shit?
So what you're saying is Trump colluded with Russia?
*yip*

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Post by Montegriffo » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:31 am

So what you are saying is collusion is the only crime that should be investigated?
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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by StCapps » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:58 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:31 am
So what you are saying is collusion is the only crime that should be investigated?
What crimes are you talking about that need investigation? Fishing expeditions based on faulty intelligence with connections to Trump's political enemies are not proper grounds for an investigation.

You want to investigate something other the Russian collusion or Donald Trump, then don't bring Russian collusion into it to attack Trump the entire investigation.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:51 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:31 am
So what you are saying is collusion is the only crime that should be investigated?
Collusion is not a crime last time I checked.

Maybe in the Soviet United Kingdom it is.

But generally collusion is constitutionally protected speech in the civilized world.
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