Brexit

[Montegriffo]

Strictly speaking they didn't know what they were voting for.

Strictly speaking, you could argue noone really knew what they were voting for, even the remainers.

The EU has evolved into something no early supporter knew it would. And brexiter aren't one common mass of people, with one common goal. Lots of them probably knew exactly what they were voting for, and lots of them had different reasons for voting. Some were voting for sovereignty, others for immigration policy, others for nationalism, and plenty of other reasons.

There's a certain arrogance in saying; "they didn't know what they were voting for". Especially when coming from a remainer. You might not know what they were voting for, but they might know. Will they all get their wishes? Hopefully not, as there's a vast variance in wishes and hopes, and there's still almost half of the voters who wish to remain, so a deal consisting of a close relationship with the EU is in the best interest of everyone.

But throwing away the vote, and remaining in the EU is out of the question at this point. It would only destroy democracy.

Remainers were the only people who knew what they were voting for.
They voted to stay as we are, part of the huge trading block which has served us well for over 40 years.
Brexiteers just shut their eyes and jumped into the void, not knowing where they would land.

[Montegriffo]

It's like agreeing to move house without even seeing the new place you are going to.
Honestly, how many of you would do that?

Once you saw the new house and worked out it was much worse than your old one wouldn't you want a chance to change your mind?

[Otern]

Remainers were the only people who knew what they were voting for.
They voted to stay as we are, part of the huge trading block which has served us well for over 40 years.
Brexiteers just shut their eyes and jumped into the void, not knowing where they would land.

Most remainers don't even know where they are. They don't know the names of the various presidents in the EU, or even how many of them there are. And most are ignorant of where the EU is going.

No side is "better" or more informed than the other.

Remainers voted to remain in a union they think serve them well, while brexiters voted to leave a union they think didn't serve them well. Both votes are valid, and both camps have a magnitude of reasons for voting whatever way they did.

Disregarding the opinions of other people, when you don't really set yourself in their shoes, is what destroys democracy. The people voted to leave the EU, because the democratically elected representatives asked the people.

As for what they voted for? To leave the EU. Everything else at this point, is up to the members of parliament. Could have a deal with the EU, which probably would be for the best, where you take into account the most important matters for both the remainers, and the brexiters.

I think the political system in Britain makes this hard though. You don't have that many parties, so a lot of voices will be drowned out in the two parties. Probably one of the reasons why people grew discontent with the EU in the first place. When you have only two parties with any form of power, they have a tendency to ignore a large part of the population. No smaller parties can really grow and influence the larger ones, and this just keeps politics divided straight up to the breaking point.

[Otern]

It's like agreeing to move house without even seeing the new place you are going to.
Honestly, how many of you would do that?

Once you saw the new house and worked out it was much worse than your old one wouldn't you want a chance to change your mind?

More like breaking up with someone. You don't know if it's going to get better, or worse. But you knew at that point you needed to break up.

[Montegriffo]

52% v 48% is no proper mandate for such an important decision.
Especially when it was such a vague question (stay or leave) with no actual legal authority.

Plenty of grounds to re-open the vote now we have a better idea of what Brexit means.

As for letting the politicians decide our future, this would be OK if they voted on the actual issues rather than political self-interests.
The vast majority of our elected representatives wished to remain. Are they really deciding what is best for the country on our behalf or are they going against their own opinions just to protect their seats in Parliament? Are they voting against May's plan just to force a general election (Corbyn and the Labour party) or to mount their own leadership of the Conservative party campaign (Gove, Johnson, Rees Mog etc)?

[Otern]

52% v 48% is no proper mandate for such an important decision.
Especially when it was such a vague question (stay or leave) with no actual legal authority.

Should have thought about that BEFORE putting it up for a vote, not after.

Throwing the vote out the window at this point is just going to disenfranchise all the brexit voters.

[heydaralon]

52% v 48% is no proper mandate for such an important decision.
Especially when it was such a vague question (stay or leave) with no actual legal authority.

Plenty of grounds to re-open the vote now we have a better idea of what Brexit means.

As for letting the politicians decide our future, this would be OK if they voted on the actual issues rather than political self-interests.
The vast majority of our elected representatives wished to remain. Are they really deciding what is best for the country on our behalf or are they going against their own opinions just to protect their seats in Parliament? Are they voting against May's plan just to force a general election (Corbyn and the Labour party) or to mount their own leadership of the Conservative party campaign (Gove, Johnson, Rees Mog etc)?

looool we have to revote because I didn't like the result.

[Montegriffo]

52% v 48% is no proper mandate for such an important decision.
Especially when it was such a vague question (stay or leave) with no actual legal authority.

Should have thought about that BEFORE putting it up for a vote, not after.

Throwing the vote out the window at this point is just going to disenfranchise all the brexit voters.

Considering the fact that Cameron only agreed to the vote because he was scared of losing seats to UKIP there should have been no vote in the first place.
Funny how 48% of the voters can be disenfranchised and nobody GAF.
Don't know why a second vote is so scary to Brexiteers, what with their massive majority.
It's as if now the public is better informed they think people might have changed their minds or something.
Don't know why we keep having general elections, New Labour won a huge majority in 1997 and that vote should be respected.
All the elections since then have just disrespected the voters.

[Fife]

"Democracy," everybody.

:goteam: :drunk:

[Speaker to Animals]

LMFAO

That post belongs on /pol/