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Re: Brexit

Post by StCapps » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:14 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:11 am
If Boris refuses to ask for an extension he will be held in contempt of court and face 2 years in jail.
Boris will either
1) Cave and ask for an extension
2) Resign
3) Be found dead in a ditch
You Brits really are retarded, the EU is trying to hold you hostage, and loses a big part of their negotiation leverage after you leave, but you'd rather negotiate from a position of weakness, then leave or at least pretend to, and get a better deal soon after.

Truly next level stupid, sending the signal that you won't leave without a deal allows them to force you take a shit deal, or you'll just stay in indefinitely, so dumb. They are bluffing, if you push them they will fold, but y'all are pussies. You get what you deserve, when the EU takes you to the cleaners, it will be the fault of the remainers and those who refuse to leave without a deal under any circumstances.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:19 am

StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:14 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:11 am
If Boris refuses to ask for an extension he will be held in contempt of court and face 2 years in jail.
Boris will either
1) Cave and ask for an extension
2) Resign
3) Be found dead in a ditch
You Brits really are retarded, the EU is trying to hold you hostage, and loses a big part of their negotiation leverage after you leave, but you'd rather negotiate from a position of weakness, then leave and get a better deal soon after. Truly next level stupid.
What is there to negotiate?
The government has offered no new deal to either the House or the EU.
Boris's attempt to crash out while Parliament was suspended has failed. His bluff has been called. He has nothing but the felt in front of him.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Brexit

Post by StCapps » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:21 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:19 am
StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:14 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:11 am
If Boris refuses to ask for an extension he will be held in contempt of court and face 2 years in jail.
Boris will either
1) Cave and ask for an extension
2) Resign
3) Be found dead in a ditch
You Brits really are retarded, the EU is trying to hold you hostage, and loses a big part of their negotiation leverage after you leave, but you'd rather negotiate from a position of weakness, then leave and get a better deal soon after. Truly next level stupid.
What is there to negotiate?
The government has offered no new deal to either the House or the EU.
Boris's attempt to crash out while Parliament was suspended has failed. His bluff has been called. He has nothing but the felt in front of him.
You don't need a deal, what you need is balls to call the EU's bluff, and they will cave and give you a better deal before you leave, or they will cave soon after you leave and you'll get a better deal. But caving to the EU and telegraphing it the entire time, which is what you are doing, that gets you the worst possible deal from among those options, that strategy gives the UK the least leverage of all.

Grow some fucking balls faggots, leaving only on the EU's terms is Cuck Nation, and results in the shittiest deal for the UK.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:42 am

StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:21 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:19 am
StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:14 am
You Brits really are retarded, the EU is trying to hold you hostage, and loses a big part of their negotiation leverage after you leave, but you'd rather negotiate from a position of weakness, then leave and get a better deal soon after. Truly next level stupid.
What is there to negotiate?
The government has offered no new deal to either the House or the EU.
Boris's attempt to crash out while Parliament was suspended has failed. His bluff has been called. He has nothing but the felt in front of him.
You don't need a deal, what you need is balls to call the EU's bluff, and they will cave and give you a better deal before you leave, or they will cave soon after you leave and you'll get a better than if you cave to them. Caving to the EU gets you the worst possible deal from among those options.

Grow some fucking balls faggots, leaving only on the EU's terms is Cuck Nation.
We do need a deal.
Parliament has decided that we do.
The EU does not set the terms, all they can do is approve the UK's terms.
They cannot compromise on the four pillars and have said this from day one.
If Boris want's to leave by the 31st he has to get a plan approved both by Parliament and the EU. There is no longer time to do this.
There will be an extension followed by a vote of no confidence and a General Election.
A loss in the GE will result in a 2nd referendum and if the polls are correct a 55-45% win for remain.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Brexit

Post by StCapps » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:20 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:42 am
StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:21 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:19 am


What is there to negotiate?
The government has offered no new deal to either the House or the EU.
Boris's attempt to crash out while Parliament was suspended has failed. His bluff has been called. He has nothing but the felt in front of him.
You don't need a deal, what you need is balls to call the EU's bluff, and they will cave and give you a better deal before you leave, or they will cave soon after you leave and you'll get a better than if you cave to them. Caving to the EU gets you the worst possible deal from among those options.

Grow some fucking balls faggots, leaving only on the EU's terms is Cuck Nation.
We do need a deal.
Parliament has decided that we do.
The EU does not set the terms, all they can do is approve the UK's terms.
They cannot compromise on the four pillars and have said this from day one.
If Boris want's to leave by the 31st he has to get a plan approved both by Parliament and the EU. There is no longer time to do this.
There will be an extension followed by a vote of no confidence and a General Election.
A loss in the GE will result in a 2nd referendum and if the polls are correct a 55-45% win for remain.
If they don't approve of the UK terms, then the UK is forced to come up with other terms, and when you clearly don't have the stomach to call their bluff, they are going to force you to ask for less than you would get if you left and then came to deal, and less than you would get if threatening to leave forces them to cave. You are going to have a deal whether you get one before you leave or not, but if you puss out and refuse to leave without a deal, they have all the leverage, and you will get a worse deal than if you grew some balls and called their bluff.

If there is an election, Bojo will win.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:43 am

StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:20 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:42 am
StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:21 am
You don't need a deal, what you need is balls to call the EU's bluff, and they will cave and give you a better deal before you leave, or they will cave soon after you leave and you'll get a better than if you cave to them. Caving to the EU gets you the worst possible deal from among those options.

Grow some fucking balls faggots, leaving only on the EU's terms is Cuck Nation.
We do need a deal.
Parliament has decided that we do.
The EU does not set the terms, all they can do is approve the UK's terms.
They cannot compromise on the four pillars and have said this from day one.
If Boris want's to leave by the 31st he has to get a plan approved both by Parliament and the EU. There is no longer time to do this.
There will be an extension followed by a vote of no confidence and a General Election.
A loss in the GE will result in a 2nd referendum and if the polls are correct a 55-45% win for remain.
If they don't approve of the UK terms, then the UK is forced to come up with other terms, and when you clearly don't have the stomach to call their bluff, they are going to force you to ask for less than you would get if you left and then came to deal, and less than you would get if threatening to leave forces them to cave. You are going to have a deal whether you get one before you leave or not, but if you puss out and refuse to leave without a deal, they have all the leverage, and you will get a worse deal than if you grew some balls and called their bluff.

If there is an election, Bojo will win.
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
The EU has been making plans to mitigate a no-deal Brexit for at least 2 years now. They understand better than many here what the consequences would be.
They aren't bluffing.
If Macron had his way they would throw us out deal or not on the 31st. The uncertainty is affecting investment on both sides of the channel.
However, there is no mechanism for throwing us out. All they can do is approve a deal as they did with May's and hope it is passed in Parliament.

We could have left last March if it were not for all the vested interests in Parliament voting against the Chequers agreement.
Boris and the ERG headed by Rees Mogg scuppered it by voting against.
Corbyn and the Labour party helped to scupper it because they thought it was the best way to get a GE.

There is still no solution to the Irish border problem which is any better than the backstop and that is still the main sticking point.

The only chance Boris has is to put forward another vote on May's deal and hope everyone is so fed up they pass it this time.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:46 am

Welcome to the fucked up world of the deep state where your vote means zippo.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:54 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:46 am
Welcome to the fucked up world of the deep state where your vote means zippo.
Welcome to Parliament and the Supreme Court fucking the deep state so hard its eyes water.

Unelected leaders trying to circumvent Parliament is the deep state.
Refusing to let the people vote on any proposed deal is the deep state.
Illegally suspending Parliament is the deep state.
Boris and his Eton educated cronies are the deep state.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:55 am

Yeah. You have a vote. And it matters. Unless your big corporations and deep state cronies think it's a bad idea. Then you can forget about democracy. Sounds like a great deal.

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Re: Brexit

Post by StCapps » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:07 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:43 am
The only chance Boris has is to put forward another vote on May's deal and hope everyone is so fed up they pass it this time.
That's a worse deal then if you leave, and then sign a deal, or make like you are going to leave and make them cave. May's deal is nowhere near the best the UK can do. You just buy into the No Deal Doomsday bullshit, and are acting like a pussy as a result.
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