Barack Obama's Legacy -- How strong of a President is he historically?

[The Conservative]

No, you sparkling genius. He assigned Carter responsibility for the hijackings in the 70s. I simply asked whether that same responsibility should be applied to GWB, or any president that oversees a terrorist event. Because we can air a whole lot of grievances, pretending that POTUS is directly responsible for whatever happens in the world.

Then you completely missed the point, and sailed out over the cliffs. TC actually figured it out, and shut his trap.

Sorry, I was in the hospital because my kidneys couldn't filter the BS you are doling out as logic, and I had to have the stones and excess bile removed.

Carter was responsible for the hijackings in the 70's because Iran knew full well that he would do nothing about it, and did nothing about it. Nor would he allow any of his cabinet do anything either except "negotiate". Hence right after Ronald Reagan was elected the hijackings stopped pretty damned quickly.

And yes, GWB is responsible for 9/11 because he was the one that used US soldiers to push back troops of Saudi Arabia instead of letting Al'Queda do it, as per the request of UBL. GWB's generals ignored that request and coaxed the ego of GWB to use US troops instead. If we did allow UBL to do it, 9/11 probably never would have happened, because the reason it did was that UBL stated very plainly in his attacks on us that we contaminating what he considered holy land, by non-believers (our troops) stepping into one of the most religious places of Islam. Not to mention as has been stated before, a report showing exactly what happened to the towers was thrown into the trash...

But let's ignore all of that, what seems to be your issue is that you are attempting to split things so finely that most people here are wondering WTF you are getting at...

Me being right never stops. Never change TC, never change.

Couldn't let you down I only responded because the first part was partially true, and I haven't been online since my original response... the 2nd was because I saw your post and decided to amuse you.

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[C-Mag]

Time for a BHO Legacy update
- the MSM is still doing a wonderful job insulating BHO from involvement in the attempted Coup +1 to the Lugenpresse

- Barry lost a court case in his attempt to steal a Chicago waterfront park to build his ego monument

- Barry's Ego monument has a lot of shenanigans going on, (see above) even too many for Chicago and that's saying something. Presidential Libraries are administered by the National Archives and staffed by Federal Archivists. But not Barry's, it will be run by the Obama Foundation, and there will be no Federally employed person to go to on records. Further, there will actually not be any Obama admin records physically there. They will be digitized. But there is problems with that.

First, the Obama papers are federal records, not personal, government people should be in control of them. Second, hardcore historians want to physically hold the original source documents. Third, digital records are not as trustworthy, they can be faked easier, as a court, people have even faked digitized birth certificates. Fourth, it's a lot easier to hide digitized records. BHO had all the records for the unmasking of Trump campaign people sent to his presidential library. By Law, those records are not accessible for 5 years. Pretty crafty, definitely not the most transparent POTUS in history.




Note: I'm against all these presidential libraries, but if we are going to have them elected officials need to have some kind of control of Federal records

[C-Mag]

BHO spyin

Hey, Obama, the Walls are Closing in

[Otern]

Even from a democrat or left leaning perspective, he's pretty weak. His legacy will pretty much be "First mulatto president".

Didn't fix the worst decisions by the Bush administration, like pulling out of the ABM treaty. He was in the best position to lessen tensions with Russia, and avoid a future nuclear arms race. But no new ABM treaty, giving the Russians every incentive to break the INF treaty.

Went from one domestic political crusade, to another, without working on getting at least ONE thing done. He could've transformed health care, maybe by looking at the Swiss or Dutch model, where they're sticking to private health care, but with systems in place so everyone can afford the insurance. But the endless virtue signalling on gun control, and "racism" made him lose steam. Instead of focusing on one thing he could've improved, he tried to fight every battle everywhere, losing focus on the things that matters and could be solved.

I guess he made it easier being gay in the military though. Pretty sure that was going to happen anyway.

[C-Mag]

Even from a democrat or left leaning perspective, he's pretty weak. His legacy will pretty much be "First mulatto president".

Didn't fix the worst decisions by the Bush administration, like pulling out of the ABM treaty. He was in the best position to lessen tensions with Russia, and avoid a future nuclear arms race. But no new ABM treaty, giving the Russians every incentive to break the INF treaty.

Went from one domestic political crusade, to another, without working on getting at least ONE thing done. He could've transformed health care, maybe by looking at the Swiss or Dutch model, where they're sticking to private health care, but with systems in place so everyone can afford the insurance. But the endless virtue signalling on gun control, and "racism" made him lose steam. Instead of focusing on one thing he could've improved, he tried to fight every battle everywhere, losing focus on the things that matters and could be solved.

I guess he made it easier being gay in the military though. Pretty sure that was going to happen anyway.

+1

When you look at what BHO really cared about he was somewhat effective. He didn't care about most of the things we traditionally think of a POTUS responsibilities. His main goal was to make Social Justice a viable political force and thereby destroy the America he could never be proud of. Well, Social Justice was nothing before BHO, and now it's everywhere. So, in defense of BHO, he did pretty well there.

[Speaker to Animals]

Obama will be remembered as the devil he is.

History judges traitors harshly. Nobody respects that.

[C-Mag]

Obama will be remembered as the devil he is.

History judges traitors harshly. Nobody respects that.

Too early to tell, but it's pointed that direction. The press ignored all of BHO's spying and dirty dealing while in office, and likely will try to whitewash it in history, but then there's what he did to Trump.
The attempted coup was a shitty op, hastily run as they panicked when Trump won. Mueller destroyed a lot of evidence, but there is just too much there for them to cover up.

Fifty years from now, what will historians say about the Obama Presidency, not much there.

[Otern]

+1

When you look at what BHO really cared about he was somewhat effective. He didn't care about most of the things we traditionally think of a POTUS responsibilities. His main goal was to make Social Justice a viable political force and thereby destroy the America he could never be proud of. Well, Social Justice was nothing before BHO, and now it's everywhere. So, in defense of BHO, he did pretty well there.

I don't think that's entirely fair. He did care about health care and gun control. He wanted to improve the US, as the democrats see it. It's just that his political crusades made it impossible to properly cooperate with the Republicans. And he's not solely to blame either, as Mitch McConnell and many other Republicans were just as partisan.

He just didn't know how to seek compromise, but tried fueling the flames to get everything, which backfired when it only paved the way for Trump winning.

The whole gun control push he went for after Sandy Hook is probably the stupidest thing he could've done, and it happened solely because he didn't understand gun culture and politics. If he'd push for improved access to health care for all Americans instead, at that time, he could've succeeded. He could've used NRA rhetoric, to get a democrat goal through, as the NRA even talked about improving mental health care and so on, instead of focusing on guns. It was an opportunity to compromise with the Republicans, improve health care, while guaranteeing not going after guns, maybe even remove some of the dumbest gun laws.