How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

[ssu]

Well, the wealthiest nation on the planet earth could ration some pretty damn good health care if we chose to.

But if I'm to understand the political adds, we have far more pressing concerns with the woefully underfunded military we have....

That you use more money than any other country in the World in healthcare and get for that money far less than most (if not all) Western countries should tell it clearly.

I guess the reason why it is so is that the majority of the people are OK about how much they pay and they wouldn't care less if for somebody else it is a problem.

But hey, go forward with the tax break.

[Montegriffo]

If he's damn near brain dead... what suffering? Someone in that condition can't really experience pain, suffering, or much of anything at all.

I could be wrong though, not a doctor myself. But I wouldn't discount political considerations being a factor in that decision.

No, it was a medical decision backed by court after court all the way up to the European court of human rights.

[Viktorthepirate]

You definitely don't help this pro-socialized medicine side with crazy talk about killing patients you deem not worth treating.

True.

But massive amounts of money are spent on hopeless cases.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes ... costs/amp/

That is one of the costs of government health care... best not to be dishonest about it.

I personally would prefer that over our current "if you're young, single with no kids, but make too much money for Medicare you are simply fucked" system.

Now people are forced to pay money to a private entity for shitty healthcare where the deductible is higher than any of their most likely injuries or ailments. It's worse than having nothing.... literally.

[Viktorthepirate]

If he's damn near brain dead... what suffering? Someone in that condition can't really experience pain, suffering, or much of anything at all.

I could be wrong though, not a doctor myself. But I wouldn't discount political considerations being a factor in that decision.

No, it was a medical decision backed by court after court all the way up to the European court of human rights.

You're more educated in European healthcare than I am. I will concede the point.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Does the U.K. have some kind of law against refusing treatment? Are the parents not free to take their kid in their arms and walk out?

Im guessing that the issue is with arranging a special medical transport, with life support across the Atlantic. And given that the kid is mostly brain dead, and cannot be recovered, that does seem a bit pointless.

[Viktorthepirate]

Well, the wealthiest nation on the planet earth could ration some pretty damn good health care if we chose to.

But if I'm to understand the political adds, we have far more pressing concerns with the woefully underfunded military we have....

That you use more money than any other country in the World in healthcare and get for that money far less than most (if not all) Western countries should tell it clearly.

I guess the reason why it is so is that the majority of the people are OK about how much they pay and they wouldn't care less if for somebody else it is a problem.

But hey, go forward with the tax break.

I was ironically opposed to universal healthcare when I was in the military. Without of course noting that I existed in a socialist healthcare system ha ha.

I started realizing how terrible things are after I got out (we kind of live in a bubble in the military). I am fortunate enough that healthcare costs are a negligible expense for me, but for many others it is not.

And after having seen the excess of the MIC first hand... I think we have many other things that would be a more rational use of our vast, but not unlimited resources.

[Viktorthepirate]

Does the U.K. have some kind of law against refusing treatment? Are the parents not free to take their kid in their arms and walk out?

Im guessing that the issue is with arranging a special medical transport, with life support across the Atlantic. And given that the kid is mostly brain dead, and cannot be recovered, that does seem a bit pointless.

Pointless... most likely.

But if the parents are paying it should be their decision. A brain dead person isn't going to be "suffering" much at all.

[Montegriffo]

You definitely don't help this pro-socialized medicine side with crazy talk about killing patients you deem not worth treating.

No body is killing anyone. What we have here is a case of someone with no quality of life and no hope of a cure being allowed to die rather than being artificially kept alive for a short period in order to make money for an experimental treatment abroad and delay the parents grief for a few more days.

[Viktorthepirate]

You definitely don't help this pro-socialized medicine side with crazy talk about killing patients you deem not worth treating.

No body is killing anyone. What we have here is a case of someone with no quality of life and no hope of a cure being allowed to die rather than being artificially kept alive for a short period in order to make money for an experimental treatment abroad and delay the parents grief for a few more days.

Yep, good thing the government is there to alleviate the suffering of the stupid plebs. Gotta have someone who knows what is best for them.

[Montegriffo]

Does the U.K. have some kind of law against refusing treatment? Are the parents not free to take their kid in their arms and walk out?

Im guessing that the issue is with arranging a special medical transport, with life support across the Atlantic. And given that the kid is mostly brain dead, and cannot be recovered, that does seem a bit pointless.

The doctors argued that it would be pointless and cruel to extend the life of the child with no hope of even regaining conciousness let alone any kind of quality of life. They felt they had the babies best interest at heart rather than that of the parents. The courts agreed.