THE ERA OF TRUMP

[PartyOf5]

Just remember, no matter how bad Trump is fucking things up at least these people were crying on Election Night

The one in the bottom right is the best. I bet she wouldn't have been a good sport if someone had turned that sign around on her.

[The Conservative]

But the thing is, that's why they call him Warrior Monk, because while he is gung-ho, he's just being poetic, it's all metaphor, he doesn't actually mean go all Buffalo Bill and start skinnin' people to the sound of Goodbye Horses.

No, but he also knows that if push comes to shove, he will gladly push them off a cliff to their deaths if it means he lives.

Actually, I find Mattis to be both an intellectual, and ultra professional, he operates entirely within the confines of national and international law and the laws of armed conflict, he doesn't actually have a blood lust at all, quite the opposite, Mattis is not like some sort of comic book anti-hero who goes around slaughtering people with abandon, he's the polar opposite of that, which is why "Mad Dog" offends his sensiblities.

Like, if this is the X-Men, Mattis is not Wolverine, he's Proffesor X.

And Professor X even knows when to fight though. There is a point in time where peace is given a chance, but even so, there is a point in time where violence if required, and civilians will be hurt or killed, but even Professor X knew that keeping it at a minimum was for the best. So does Mattis.

He isn't afraid to spill some blood if need be, be he does keep civilians out of it if possible. But if given marching orders, he will rip the head off the enemy and shove it down their throat, because that is what he was trained to do. You don't half-ass with this man, he does it right or not at all.

[C-Mag]

Just remember, no matter how bad Trump is fucking things up at least these people were crying on Election Night

[Viktorthepirate]

No, but he also knows that if push comes to shove, he will gladly push them off a cliff to their deaths if it means he lives.

Actually, I find Mattis to be both an intellectual, and ultra professional, he operates entirely within the confines of national and international law and the laws of armed conflict, he doesn't actually have a blood lust at all, quite the opposite, Mattis is not like some sort of comic book anti-hero who goes around slaughtering people with abandon, he's the polar opposite of that, which is why "Mad Dog" offends his sensiblities.

Like, if this is the X-Men, Mattis is not Wolverine, he's Proffesor X.

And Professor X even knows when to fight though. There is a point in time where peace is given a chance, but even so, there is a point in time where violence if required, and civilians will be hurt or killed, but even Professor X knew that keeping it at a minimum was for the best. So does Mattis.

He isn't afraid to spill some blood if need be, be he does keep civilians out of it if possible. But if given marching orders, he will rip the head off the enemy and shove it down their throat, because that is what he was trained to do. You don't half-ass with this man, he does it right or not at all.

But what is right? Can you give me specific examples where this ruthless tactic would help our nation building strategy?

I personally think we should have shown up, blown shit up, and left. While promising to do it all over again if they fucked up again. A punitive expedition.

Nation building just isn't a winnable goal without sacrificing our values, which isn't in our interest.

The Mongols and Mughals conquered Afghanistan, literally depopulated entire areas doing it however.

If I'm occupied by Chinese troops and they blow up my house and kill my kids, I gives a fuck what they meant to do, I'm killing me some Chinese in my black pajamas at night.

[ssu]

I personally think we should have shown up, blown shit up, and left. While promising to do it all over again if they fucked up again. A punitive expedition.

You mean the way Soviet Union fought it's shorter war? They tried it.

9+ years and two million Afghans killed, 5 million refugees outside Afghanistan and 3 million internally displaced.

Is a lot more than perhaps some 70 000 killed in the longest of wars for the US. Even if it would be 100 000 now, it's small compared to the nearly genocidal war that the Soviet fought.

Reminds me how Massoud fought the Soviets in Panshir valley. Once knowing the Soviets were preparing for an offensive and this time they weren't playing around, Massoud had every civilian shipped out of the valley and left only few fighters to the valley, and mined absolutely everything. The Russians used their heavy bombers and simply carpet bombed the valley. Then with huge force rolled in to trample the mines. Once they retreated, the muj came back.

(Panshir Valley, not a wide target to carpet bomb)


American progress on the culture front:

[Viktorthepirate]

I personally think we should have shown up, blown shit up, and left. While promising to do it all over again if they fucked up again. A punitive expedition.

You mean the way Soviet Union fought it's shorter war? They tried it.

9+ years and two million Afghans killed, 5 million refugees outside Afghanistan and 3 million internally displaced.

Is a lot more than perhaps some 70 000 killed in the longest of wars for the US. Even if it would be 100 000 now, it's small compared to the nearly genocidal war that the Soviet fought.

Reminds me how Massoud fought the Soviets in Panshir valley. Once knowing the Soviets were preparing for an offensive and this time they weren't playing around, Massoud had every civilian shipped out of the valley and left only few fighters to the valley, and mined absolutely everything. The Russians used their heavy bombers and simply carpet bombed the valley. Then with huge force rolled in to trample the mines. Once they retreated, the muj came back.

(Panshir Valley, not a wide target to carpet bomb)


American progress on the culture front:

Not at all like that. More like this.... but on a larger scale.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... n_to_Korea

[Okeefenokee]

Something tells me punitive expedition isn't gonna go over any better, but I prefer that tactic more than nation building.

[Viktorthepirate]

Something tells me punitive expedition isn't gonna go over any better, but I prefer that tactic more than nation building.

I think it would be ok. We bomb "neutral" nations with flying death robots and it's ok.

[Smitty-48]

I feel like we have been down this whole - operators training and arming the Afghans in a shadow war - rabbit hole before for some reason.

Yeah, and the problem was, when the Soviets pulled out, Americans stopped caring and they ceded it to chaos, and then that chaos came to America in airliners, so now you know you can't turn your back on it, pottery barn rule and you can never leave, but you can't have a big footprint in there neither, because your little lefty friends gonna cry about it, ergo; back to the future, which is back to small footprint and disrupting people in Afghanistan, indefinitely.

It was the Soviets problem, but you brought them down, so now it's now your problem, forever, so might as well just get comfortable with it, and the best way to do that, is out of sight out of mind.

America has never had to accept "dealing" with a problem "forever". And they won't

Well, since Americans are completely polarized into paralysis by their domestic political bunfight over keeping the black man down or not, they really don't have any say in the matter, the Washington National Security Consensus simply carries on without them, divide and conquer as it were.

[Okeefenokee]

Something tells me punitive expedition isn't gonna go over any better, but I prefer that tactic more than nation building.

I think it would be ok. We bomb "neutral" nations with flying death robots and it's ok.

Right, but we don't call it that.

My President, you were elected because you campaigned against nation building.

Oh, this is just a punitive expedition

Imagine the headlines.

Trump might as well change the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of WAR!!!