Coronavirus thread

[The Conservative]

America is Saved!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... xt?r=2&s=1

Sponsored by Rev. Bobby Rush of Illinois 1st district, we have H.R.6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act.

In General.—The Secretary of Health and Human Services, acting through the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, may award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, to trace and monitor the contacts of infected individuals, and to support the quarantine of such contacts, through—

(1) mobile health units; and

(2) as necessary, testing individuals and providing individuals with services related to testing and quarantine at their residences.

My favorite part:

(g) Authorization Of Appropriations.—To carry out this section, there are authorized to be appropriated—

(1) $100,000,000,000 for fiscal year 2020; and

(2) such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal year 2021 and any subsequent fiscal year during which the emergency period continues.

[DBTrek]

Fine. We promise to test and trace as much as we can.

In the meantime, we have all the tools and information we need to allow the vast majority take responsibility for their own health.

Hand soap, and personal space > test and trace

Blood. On. Your. Hands.

[BjornP]

Just to verify something: If any of you (Americans) were to get COVID-19, and had to stay a week in a hospital bed, how much will that probably cost you? For the hospital treatment alone, I mean. Would the insurance cover all of the cost? And if you like many other Americans lost your job, how much would the hospital bill be for a treatment for COVID, then?

Americans have the health care system and labor market they have. That’s the one they need to work with. I don’t see how or even why you can want or expect Americans to want to stay home and lose their jobs "to stay healthy" when being out of a job means getting sick can then bankrupt you. If you need a job in order to afford to get sick, society shutting down is just another way to slowly kill you.

[DBTrek]

Just to verify something: If any of you (Americans) were to get COVID-19, and had to stay a week in a hospital bed, how much will that probably cost you? For the hospital treatment alone, I mean. Would the insurance cover all of the cost? And if you like many other Americans lost your job, how much would the hospital bill be for a treatment for COVID, then?

Americans have the health care system and labor market they have. That’s the one they need to work with. I don’t see how or even why you can want or expect Americans to want to stay home and lose their jobs "to stay healthy" when being out of a job means getting sick can then bankrupt you. If you need a job in order to afford to get sick, society shutting down is just another way to slowly kill you.

You'd go bankrupt.
The hospital will still have to admit and treat you, with or without insurance.
But they will still bill your ass . . . and if you owe the hospital for a week of care, but you didn't even have a job that provided medical insurance . . . then you're probably filing for bankruptcy immediately afterward.

[BjornP]

I figured I did remember correctly. I also felt it hasn't been brought up as - imo - the best counter-argument to why Americans can't just "wait it out". Because they'd end up friggin homeless. After which they'd just need more medical care down the line...

I see that as failed system, but I also realize that in the here and now, you can't "fix" that by waiting it out.

[DBTrek]

I think our "wait it outers" have begun to realize the folly of their ways. Some of them are still clinging to "wait it out and just let people skip their rent/mortgage" ... but that's obviously no more feasible than "Just keep giving people food if they can't buy any during shelter in place". Eventually the landlords and food producers are going to go bankrupt ... but before that happens they'll simply stop providing their goods or services for free. Food will stop being harvested, buildings will fall into disrepair and no one will care because there's just a bunch of freeloading squatters in them anyway.

But some people are slow to get with reality. Their lives are so disconnected from the norm that everything seems like a video game simulation to them. Like they're playing Civilization, and they can just implement some kind of policy or make some kind of decree that will suddenly suspend the realities of life. As if scarce resources and over abundant demand can simply be legislated into non-existence.

That was never going to work.
We knew early on in this game that the virus was here, and it would take possibly years to stop it.
At that point the debate was over - we were going to have to go back to work and take precautions.
There was and is no other alternative.

[BjornP]

I agree. And the food situation you mention, looks like it's already happening:

https://www.businessinsider.com/food-de ... ?r=US&IR=T

[The Conservative]

Just to verify something: If any of you (Americans) were to get COVID-19, and had to stay a week in a hospital bed, how much will that probably cost you? For the hospital treatment alone, I mean. Would the insurance cover all of the cost? And if you like many other Americans lost your job, how much would the hospital bill be for a treatment for COVID, then?

Americans have the health care system and labor market they have. That’s the one they need to work with. I don’t see how or even why you can want or expect Americans to want to stay home and lose their jobs "to stay healthy" when being out of a job means getting sick can then bankrupt you. If you need a job in order to afford to get sick, society shutting down is just another way to slowly kill you.

Already had it... I spent two weeks at home using a nebulizer. I was back to work and functioning as an active part of society a week later after being told it was OK.

Here is the issue, if we treated this like the flu, in where the elderly which are still at high risk and those with weakened immune systems, we take personal responsibility and separate ourselves from them when we know there is a chance of being contagious... or even not, we don't want to take the risk, then we stay separate more so.

If we live with people who are immunocompromised, we do the same thing we do when we have the flu go around...

Why is it so hard to understand that if we actually practiced personal responsibility this wouldn't be such a big deal. I mean seriously, 284K deaths worldwide... (if that number can be believed) is still nothing. 2017 it was estimated between 500K to 650K people die yearly from the flu, and there is a VACCINE for it!

We have already proven to some extent social distancing doesn't work, and that people who have been practicing it still have gotten it. We have been told it's not good to be close to people, yet we have had the supermarkets open, we have ad the liquor stores open, we have had hardware stores open...

Where this is OK:



but we are told to keep separate.

Can't have it both ways...

Stores need to open up, people need to take personal responsibility, and you need to remember, to use that few lbs of fat between your ears...

[PartyOf5]

Just to verify something: If any of you (Americans) were to get COVID-19, and had to stay a week in a hospital bed, how much will that probably cost you? For the hospital treatment alone, I mean. Would the insurance cover all of the cost? And if you like many other Americans lost your job, how much would the hospital bill be for a treatment for COVID, then?

Americans have the health care system and labor market they have. That’s the one they need to work with. I don’t see how or even why you can want or expect Americans to want to stay home and lose their jobs "to stay healthy" when being out of a job means getting sick can then bankrupt you. If you need a job in order to afford to get sick, society shutting down is just another way to slowly kill you.

You'd go bankrupt.
The hospital will still have to admit and treat you, with or without insurance.
But they will still bill your ass . . . and if you owe the hospital for a week of care, but you didn't even have a job that provided medical insurance . . . then you're probably filing for bankruptcy immediately afterward.

Not if you're on Medicaid.

[DBTrek]

Not if you're on Medicaid.

I have to plead ignorance on that one.
I have no idea how the Medicaid system works.