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Post by C-Mag » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:12 pm

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C-Mag wrote: * IMO the Iraq invasion was more about an old school royal family feud than anything else. Saddam tried to off GHW Bush, so W took care of Saddam for his old man. Vengence
That's the MSM narrative. The real dope is that Sadaam was talking about exchanging oil for something other than dollars. Same as Ghaddafi. Once they do that, they're on the neocon shit list.

Iran has jumped aboard with the new petro-yuan. Notice how quickly they became our Serious Global Enemy #1 again.

I've got a friend who subscribes to the Petro-Dollar conspiracy. I don't know enough about it, enlighten me.

Trump hasn't started a war yet. W had 2, BHO had 2, Trump Zero to date. For me, that makes Trump the winner to date.
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Post by kybkh » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:16 pm

I can't say I am too clear as to what Bannon is doing here. My guess is he is more like Ann Coulter in his opinions of Trump and policy priorities.

He likely feels Ja-Vanka pulling Trump towards the middle re: DACA and FoPo.

More and more you hear rumblings of some kind of white collar crimes being imminent re: Jared and Jr. This will likely be the outcome IMO.

1. An unseemly loan between Jared and a Russian Bankster.
2. Jared telling a Russian donor where to spend 100k in FB ads.
3. Junior at Trump tower. (which is probably where the presidents biggest exposure lies)
a. The problem with #3, for the MSM to really be able to hammer at the TTM is GPS Fusion's involvement.

The business deals or whatever white collar shit they dig up will be prior to the election or outside DJT's purview. Jared telling some Ruskie what markets to spend his money is masturbatable. But #3, there you can lasso in the president and if he acted in a way to help edit JR's statement, there-by indicating that he is trying to hide wrong doing, there is intent and a tie to DJT direct.

The initial statement released by Trump Jr. and reportedly dictated by his father, read as follows:

It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.

I was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.

However, Trump Jr. was forced to revise his statement over the course of the next few days, as it became apparent that his claims about the meeting were misleading. Ultimately, he admitted that he agreed to attend the meeting with Veselnitskaya because he thought she had damaging information about his father's campaign opponent, Hillary Clinton.

The Times also reported on July 11 that the president had signed off on his son's statement. This was reporting that was also denied by Sekulow in an an interview with ABC News. He told ABC that the president had not signed off on anything and that he had been returning from the G-20 summit. Sekulow speculated that Trump Jr. had released the statement in consultation with his own lawyers. Sekulow flatly denied that Mr. Trump had any involvement in his son's statement. "[T]he fact is the President wasn't involved," he told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-pre ... n-meeting/
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Post by C-Mag » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:17 pm

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I was told that Sessions was the Grand Savior of the Republic, just a few months ago.. Now how could both be true? :shifty:

I don't think you got that from me. I admit initially I thought he was a good pick as I have praised him in the past for going after pedo's. He has been good on MS-13. Otherwise he's hunkered down as a deep stater. Chris Wray seems to be cut from the same clothe. While I'm at it, I don't care for HR Puff N Stuff. I'm warming a little to Nikki Haley, undecided on Rex.

I'm also disappointed that Trump hasn't really drained the swamp at the top. I wanted him to purge all the appointees he had power over. Had he fired Comey day one, no big deal.

I'd like to see the cabinet filled with no bodies from the hinterlands, not just recycled insiders.
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Post by Fife » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:24 pm

IMNSHO, Beauregard Sessions is the biggest fail of the Trump administration so far, by a country mile.

Moar WOD, moar illegitimate confiscation, moar police state.

No watching of the "watchdogs." Advance capitulation to what most call the "deep state," in fact.

Total fail.

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Post by ssu » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:24 pm

C-Mag wrote:Trump is no Saint, and he doesn't try to play one either. The reason Trump is good is he is disrupting an entrenched Washington DC system. We would have not learned any of this had Hillary won.
What have we learned?

Oh we would have our share of Impeachment rhetoric with Hillary, that's for sure. Republicans would out there and the overall political climate would be as hostile as, well, it is now.

Joseph Schumpeter came up with the term Creative Anarchy as a positive force for the economy, but I don't see how much positive there is here to the US politics.

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Post by ssu » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:26 pm

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C-Mag wrote: * IMO the Iraq invasion was more about an old school royal family feud than anything else. Saddam tried to off GHW Bush, so W took care of Saddam for his old man. Vengence
That's the MSM narrative. The real dope is that Sadaam was talking about exchanging oil for something other than dollars. Same as Ghaddafi. Once they do that, they're on the neocon shit list.

Iran has jumped aboard with the new petro-yuan. Notice how quickly they became our Serious Global Enemy #1 again.
Don't forget Venezuela.

Anyway, there's no one single reason. The are many reasons. And those mentioned are some of them.

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Post by C-Mag » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:28 pm

ssu wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
C-Mag wrote: * IMO the Iraq invasion was more about an old school royal family feud than anything else. Saddam tried to off GHW Bush, so W took care of Saddam for his old man. Vengence
That's the MSM narrative. The real dope is that Sadaam was talking about exchanging oil for something other than dollars. Same as Ghaddafi. Once they do that, they're on the neocon shit list.

Iran has jumped aboard with the new petro-yuan. Notice how quickly they became our Serious Global Enemy #1 again.
Don't forget Venezuela.

Anyway, there's no one single reason. The are many reasons. And those mentioned are some of them.

So enlighten me to the Petro-Dollar conspiracy, I want to learn.
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Post by C-Mag » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:35 pm

Fife wrote:IMNSHO, Beauregard Sessions is the biggest fail of the Trump administration so far, by a country mile.

Moar WOD, moar illegitimate confiscation, moar police state.

No watching of the "watchdogs." Advance capitulation to what most call the "deep state," in fact.

Total fail.
I'm going to reiterate this. The only credible way out for Sessions is that he resign.

Hey, it's 1430 EST, has the DOJ and FBI turned over the docs to Congress. If not by 2400 hrs, Nunes better have a contempt of Congress on their desk by 0700 tomorrow AM. AND, send in the Federal Marshalls and search for the documents.

Full tactical gear, same Rules of Engagement as for Civilian raids.
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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:36 pm

C-Mag wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
C-Mag wrote: * IMO the Iraq invasion was more about an old school royal family feud than anything else. Saddam tried to off GHW Bush, so W took care of Saddam for his old man. Vengence
That's the MSM narrative. The real dope is that Sadaam was talking about exchanging oil for something other than dollars. Same as Ghaddafi. Once they do that, they're on the neocon shit list.

Iran has jumped aboard with the new petro-yuan. Notice how quickly they became our Serious Global Enemy #1 again.

I've got a friend who subscribes to the Petro-Dollar conspiracy. I don't know enough about it, enlighten me.

Trump hasn't started a war yet. W had 2, BHO had 2, Trump Zero to date. For me, that makes Trump the winner to date.
Did you already forget our heroic missile attack on Syria, and the 'mysterious' deaths of green berets in Africa? :)

The petro-dollar thing works like this. We have the "reserve currency" because our Treasury Bonds are considered the most secure. This is how we're able to run up insane debts like it ain't no thing. This is because we have the biggest military (funded by those bonds), and because we control the global oil markets.

Oil is valued in dollars, because arab countries only sell it for dollars. That's called the 'petro-dollar' exchange, and it's the reason that oil prices are given in relation to American oil futures contracts. Venezuela was another supplier, but their economy collapsed when the price of oil went down (we made it do that). Any time the arabs want to sell it for anything else, we replace their government 'for human rights', or 'yellow cake', or 'terrorism'. We did it to Sadaam, Ghaddafi, Al-Assad, and next will be Khomeni.

Now, this year, China has proposed a new futures contract, valued in a separate Yuan currency, pinned to Gold. This effectively denominates the price of oil in the only asset valued more securely than US T-bills - gold. Iran has agreed to use it, and Russia is a big supporter, though they're not 'officially' bought in yet.

This directly threatens the petro-dollar exchange, the US debt, and the current global economic paradigm. And we can't stop it directly, because China is the biggest buyer of our T-bills. So, we're going after Iran, and anyone else that backs it. We're drumming against the Norks, and talking shit to China, because it's their backyard.

That means we go to war with Iran, or Nork, and enter a new cold war with China. Everything is at stake, until China backs down, or stops buying our bonds, and we implode. I honestly have no idea how far they'll push this - all-out war, or some kind of backroom deal, or maybe just try to compete economically, but we've already had our legs chopped out by decades of idiotic politicians.

My guess is war.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:43 pm

So right out of the gate Catface has a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the reserve currency, it's not about treasury bonds, as with all Catface blabbering, he simply spreads misinformation because he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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