THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by ssu » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:59 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:I don't think it was a lousy job. I think there is a kind of genius in it. Two years ago, if I told the average person on the street that the MSM daily lies to them and manipulates the truth, they'd not even consider what I said. They'd just reject it. Now anybody can SEE it well enough every single day. He baits them into putting all their cards on the table.

If this keeps going on, he really will be able to get away with some shit because NOBODY will care what the MSM says.
So people will fall in love with Trump because he can wiggle out of any kind of thing?

Nice idea.

That's why I think the Republican primaries are going to be interesting in 2020. If Trump does get that far. As I've said, if the economy doesn't tank, then many people will have a reason to like Trump. And the economy is quite independent from the political sphere, which is a blessing to the Trump administration.

(Just remember that if you assume that people don't believe in MSM, not all pick your alternative media.)

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:00 pm

I didn't say they'd fall in love with him. I said they'd stop engaging in the political discourse and he would be able to really get away with the crimes people like falsely accuse him of today, since nobody would bother paying attention and, even if they did, they would know they can't trust a word that the press prints any longer anyway.

Nor do we even have a so-called "alternative" media. All that stuff is bought out by Soros and other big interests. What the fuck do you think just happened to our old forum!?

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Ph64 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:20 pm

ssu wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Yeah, that's the part I find so amusing. It doesn't matter what Trump does. He's getting pegged as a Nukedog-in-Chief anyway.

I mean.. think about how hilarious that is. This guy is as Jewish as you can get without actually becoming a Jew, and he's Literally Hitler over here. :lol:
The truth is that Trump simply did a lousy job here. Any Republican President will ALLWAYS get flak from the press. But the thing is to avoid it, not go look for it.

If you have some lunatic drive many people down with one killed, you just simply condemn the attack and send condolences. You don't start talking about something else. Think about it in another context: if there's an ISIS terrorist attack, you condemn it and send condolences, you don't start there and then about the political environment of the Middle East or the roots of the conflict or something else. That signals something different. When people are shocked after some incident, it's not the time to start giving some lecture. You can do it somewhere else, but not then.

Hence Trump here just played so well into his opposition... because he cannot do anything else, it seems.

And if he wanted to play it to the alt-right, all it would have taken that first answer (the many sides reply) and then stick to his teleprompter speech later. And just talk about infrastructure now in the last press briefing. But Trump being Trump, of course now made it so that you can easily intrepret that the teleprompter speech was something spoonfed to him, which he didn't like at all.

One of the basics that every politician has to understand is that your words will be intrepreted in the worst way possible by your opponents. Hence you have to think what you say, as your message won't be intrepreted in the most positive way.
That's Trump's problem, he really needs to learn when to stay shut up and not go off in the weeds.

"The events in Charlotte are tragic and my prayers go out to the victims of the violence.". Period, end of comments, and don't let yourself get baited into the whole controversy.

Same reason I stay out of a lot of comments/threads on forums and articles, picking up the 'hot potato' controversy just ends up in a lot of flack that honestly isn't worth it most of the time, all it does is increase the anger between the sides.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by ssu » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:27 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:What the fuck do you think just happened to our old forum!?
Umm... Because Dan thinks moderating is bad or goes against his idea of freedom of speech, the forum was basically unmoderated and nukedog made it his home. And most of you guys got dissappointed at Dan because he didn't see Trump as the alternative candidate he had earlier talked so much, where on the other hand many of you did. Which let a lot of the most active people having this attitude "I-don't-listen-to-Dan-but-I-hang-out-here". And in the end Dan said fuck it.

Or you, umm, really think it's Soros behind Dan stopping the forum on his site? Come on, there was just a few of us even on the old site. Who cares...other than Dan himself.

At least we listen to Dan still, which is nice.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by ssu » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:27 pm

Ph64 wrote:That's Trump's problem, he really needs to learn when to stay shut up and not go off in the weeds.

"The events in Charlotte are tragic and my prayers go out to the victims of the violence.". Period, end of comments, and don't let yourself get baited into the whole controversy.
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Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:28 pm

Proud AF rn.

The board was full of cucks anyway. It had to go. I'm working on the hangers-on.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:33 pm

ssu wrote: Or you, umm, really think it's Soros behind Dan stopping the forum on his site?

That would be an affirmative.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by pineapplemike » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:40 am

A couple outlets are reporting that Darth Bannon will be fired or will be exiting the White House soon, what's the general consensus around here on the grim reaper? It's my understanding that he was the lone voice against bombing Syria a few months ago, and the growing increase of military influence in Trump's cabinet has me concerned. I never really took the bait that Trump would be all that much less of a warhawk than Hillary, will that narrative officially be dead when Bannon exits?

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by PartyOf5 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:12 am

Ph64 wrote: That's Trump's problem, he really needs to learn when to stay shut up and not go off in the weeds.

"The events in Charlotte are tragic and my prayers go out to the victims of the violence.". Period, end of comments, and don't let yourself get baited into the whole controversy.
That statement would have gotten the exact same reaction from the outraged left and MSM that his "violence on all sides" statement did. The MSM narrative is "Trump and all his supporters are racists". Nothing he says is going to change that for them. He's condemned the KKK, Duke, etc... multiple times in the past and the MSM ignores it because is doesn't match their script. It will be their own undoing as people things like that statement and Russia are nothing burgers and tune out the MSM altogether. Then, when real issues come up, they've already lost that segment that no longer trusts them.

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Post by adwinistrator » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:14 am

NY Times - Trump Tells Aides He Has Decided to Remove Stephen Bannon
President Trump has told senior aides that he has decided to remove Stephen K. Bannon, the embattled White House chief strategist who helped Mr. Trump win the 2016 election, according to two administration officials briefed on the discussion.

The president and senior White House officials were debating when and how to dismiss Mr. Bannon. The two administration officials cautioned that Mr. Trump is known to be averse to confrontation within his inner circle, and could decide to keep on Mr. Bannon for some time.

As of Friday morning, the two men were still discussing Mr. Bannon’s future, the officials said. A person close to Mr. Bannon insisted the parting of ways was his idea, and that he had submitted his resignation to the president on Aug. 7, to be announced at the start of this week, but the move was delayed after the racial unrest in Charlottesville, Va.

Mr. Bannon had clashed for months with other senior West Wing advisers and members of the president’s family.

But the loss of Mr. Bannon, the right-wing nationalist who helped propel some of Mr. Trump’s campaign promises into policy reality, raises the potential for the president to face criticism from the conservative news media base that supported him over the past year.

Mr. Bannon’s many critics bore down after the violence in Charlottesville. Outraged over Mr. Trump’s insistence that “both sides” were to blame for the violence that erupted at a white nationalist rally, leaving one woman dead, human rights activists demanded that the president fire so-called nationalists working in the West Wing. That group of hard-right populists in the White House is led by Mr. Bannon.

On Tuesday at Trump Tower in New York, Mr. Trump refused to guarantee Mr. Bannon’s job security but defended him as “not a racist” and “a friend.”

“We’ll see what happens with Mr. Bannon,” Mr. Trump said.

Mr. Bannon’s dismissal followed an Aug. 16 interview he initiated with a writer with whom he had never spoken, with the progressive publication The American Prospect. In it, Mr. Bannon mockingly played down the American military threat to North Korea as nonsensical: “Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that 10 million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s no military solution here, they got us.”

He also bad-mouthed his colleagues in the Trump administration, vowed to oust a diplomat at the State Department and mocked officials as “wetting themselves” over the consequences of radically changing trade policy.

Of the far right, he said, “These guys are a collection of clowns,” and he called it a “fringe element” of “losers.”

“We gotta help crush it,” he said in the interview, which people close to Mr. Bannon said he believed was off the record.

Privately, several White House officials said that Mr. Bannon appeared to be provoking Mr. Trump and that they did not see how Mr. Trump could keep him on after the interview was published.

Mr. Bannon’s departure was long rumored in Washington. The president’s new chief of staff, John F. Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general who was brought on for his ability to organize a chaotic staff, was said to have grown weary of the chief strategist’s long-running feud with Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, the national security adviser.

One White House official, who would not be named discussing the president’s thinking, said Mr. Trump has wanted to remove Mr. Bannon since he ousted Reince Priebus as his chief of staff three weeks ago; Mr. Bannon had been aligned with Mr. Priebus. But Mr. Trump changed his mind as several defenders of Mr. Bannon warned the president that he risked losing supporters who saw Mr. Bannon as a conduit of their views.

Since then, Mr. Kelly has been evaluating Mr. Bannon’s status, according to the official. The president and Mr. Kelly have talked over the past several days and Mr. Bannon had planned to put his resignation in motion in the coming days, this person said.

Mr. Bannon has been in a battle with Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, since the spring.

Mr. Bannon, whose campaign against “globalists” was a hallmark of his tenure steering the right-wing website Breitbart.com, and Mr. Kushner had been allies throughout the transition process and through the beginning of the administration.

But their alliance ruptured as Mr. Trump elevated the roles of Gary D. Cohn, his top economic policy adviser and a former official at Goldman Sachs, and Dina Powell, a former Bush administration official who also worked on Wall Street. Mr. Cohn is a registered Democrat, and both he and Ms. Powell have been denounced by conservative media outlets as being antithetical to Mr. Trump’s populist message.