Ph64 wrote:
You're thinking small time, a few ten million$ is a study, we've got to start a crash program to produce gold plated mil-spec technology demonstrators, at least a $billion, followed by a production contract for globe shape weapons platforms - say an initial 100 over 3 years at $1billion each... Don't worry, the price will drop by at least 40% by the time we hit the order for the last of the 1500 we "need" to be dominant in globe shaped tech.
I'd let you work in my politburo.
I am sure your politburo has already been worked on plenty as it is.
You know, being sure just means that you were the one doing it. Or maybe you like to watch...
UNSC meeting Apr12 – The situation Middle East - Syria (10am EDT)
RU
Thanks Mistura. We closely involved in Geneva, etc. Fact that geneva process is developing and all 4 baskets of agenda are agreed upon, is significant. UK statement showed that only thing he thinking of is to complicate your efforts, de Mistura, to prevent political process from unfolding. Essence is, and everyone knows, that UK is losing sleep over that we are working with US. You are doing everything to undermine this cooperation. Look at me when I am speaking? Why are you looking away. This is precisely who YOU DID NOT SAY ANYTHING to political process. You did not even listen to De Mistura speech. You make insulting demands. What have YOU done to implement ceasefire. you welcome illegal armed groups to London! You support interest of armed groups. Many of them have been murdering christians and other minorities in ME, terrorist acts on churches on Palm Sunday. Thats whose interests you are advancing. Basically it turns out regime change for you is more important. Mr. Rycraft (UK) is speaking not on topic of our agenda, but you insulted Syria, iran, Turkey, other states.
From side of opposition, there should be inclusive delegation, bearing in mind views of opposition. There is no room for arrogance. We need to think not of pride, but of future for Syria. Let them conduct their dialogue and please do not interfere with De Mistura. We cannot allow interruption of state institutions, this applies to security that bear main burden of combating terrorist threat. We cannot even create state institutions on paper and you want to destroy them in Syria. UK says one thing, does other thing and act another way. Talk to your opposition groups and ask them to support Astana process. Tell them they cannot fire on RU embassy in Damascus. You prohibit communique condemning attack on RU embassy in Damascus.
CW incident will… French experts have already reached conclusion that Damascus is responsible. I’m amazed! No one has visited site of crime. How do you know that?
Future of syrian people is for Syrian people to decide. Astana cannot become a panacea were others work to divide it. Access to besieged areas is important. But why isn't food supplied to areas that are controlled by the govt? Are they different types of people there? We know the situation. We need support from capitals that for the time being are engaged in empty rhetoric and useless criticism. Astana process has unique value, aimed at achieving in practice an end to violence. It is direct support to Geneva process that Mistura is leading. We see that great majority of UN states value this. Contamination of syrian territory by mines, IEDs, etc, RU experts are dealing with this problem. We call on expert intl coalition do demine syria. Statements that say “oh we will de-mine once there is peace there’ That is ridiculous! Children should no explode because of mines. We need de-mine Palmiry. When u discuss issues of solving issues of migration, we need to de-mine, not regime change. We need to improve social conditions in which people live. Instead of that, regional and intl forums are convened, where virtual billions are pledged without even Syrian representative be present. How does this make sense? To exclude Damascus is unprofessional, arrogant and unethical.
USA
Assad terrorized, murderrous, not a partner for peace. Assads allies, RU, Iran, Hez are supporting barbarism. Assad violated resolution. Assad mocked RU assurances. US was compelled to act. We will not allow CW go unanswered. We are watching carefully. To RU: you are isolating yourselves every time Assad drops barrel bomb and everytim eyou starve people. It is long past time for Russia to stop covering for Assad. Push for peace, stop being part of the problem.
We won`t get a political solution overnight. But we can start to de-escalate. RU must fulfill commitment to get CW out of Syria. We urge them to make Assad live up to obligations. That means giving access to investigator FULL ACESS to AIR BASE THAT WE BOMBED.
RU needs to show world wether they genuinely want to be part of peace process. We need to see RU chose to side with civilized world over an Assad terrorist.
We need to be honest of Iran. Iran is chief accomplice of Assad, whispering to his generals, with Hezbollah soldiers blabla. Iran is dumping fuel on this war in syria to expand its own reach. This council needs to look at Iran. We need to make sure Iran does not use Syria to use as a base to promote terror in region.
Month after month we say there is no mil solution. This councils relevance depends on taking action and holding accountable. This council should not just say, but pressure parties to prove it. This means adopting resolutions that say what we mean.
As we showed last week, US will not standby with CW.
We are looking for partners who are serious of using influence over Assad regime. We must commit on not just words, but actions. With goal of peace in Syria
Syria
As founding member of this org, I must say the following: 14 years ago, to the date. On nite of Apr 2003, i was sitting on place of italian ambassador. Colin Powell spoke. He talked about WMDs in Iraq. Everyone remember what heads of investigative delegations said. Battler, Scott, Hans Blix, and others. They said there were NO wmds in Iraq, and that this was a pretext to invade Iraq. All of you remember that this council decided at end of 2008, after investigation, decided to busy UNSCOM reports. To overlook these reports, and bury in ground, so none can reach, they buried them in vaults. And they said that these vaults will only be opened in 60 years. Can you imagine the secrets in these vaults? Brexit encouraged UK to seek new role in world, by using extreme actions, Reminds us of criminal Tony Blair, after fabricating lie of WMDs. Pushing the American Elephant to destroy the Iraqi Chinaware, with brutality that Iraq suffers to this day. I deliver my statement after vein absent for 3 months, as I was leading delegation of SAR to multiple rounds in Astana and Geneva, to launch dialogue that will lead to political solution, led by Syrians themselves.
One week ago we thought that we would be coming to this meeting to inform of progress and to get momentum and support to counter terrorism etc. Despite this optimism, US administration decided to repeat bloody theatrical play against Iraq, the play entitles The lies of Iraqie WMDS. US is switching from proxy aggression, funding terrorist groups, to direct aggression. US has been leading terrorism in Syria along with allies in region, against civilians and infrastructure. This include intl coalition action, which destroyed infrastructure, bombardment of syrian army in Dec 17th sept, ofering military cover to terrorist groups. Israel was first to win honor of supporing terrorism. Israel has provided all forms of supports to these groups, including medical relief and care at expense of Qatari regime. Everytime SAR gained grounds, ISR attacked. ISR 17th Marc 2017 ISR provided air support to ISIL. Same theatricals took place on Apr7. At time when terror lost grounds, flagrant attack on aribase with premise of CW attacks on Khan Idlib. US decided to exploit intl mechanisms of UNSC, putting blame on Syrian, to distance the blame form terrorist actions. They have provided terror elements in Syria with toxic chemicals to put blame in Syria. This was case in March 13th, W Ghoutta and Telmendis apr.
Letters of smuggling CW… 2 liters of Sarin through Libya. We have given you names and dates of these actions and nothing was done. Statement of foreign french minister Roland Duma “during visit to london he was made privy to conspiracy to destroy Syria” that was two years before crisis in Syria. Jan 2013 Daily Mail report that was withdrawn and deleted, which details email bw high official in UK called Britain Defense, a plot agreed by Washington, where Qatar in cooperation with Turkey, would finance cw to be used in Syria. Former US prez had only to create a redline Howver, he backed tracked in last minute when his allies backed down. Documents leaked by wikileaks prove that WH gave green light to use chemicals in Syria as incentive for intl aggressive action in Syria. We had hopes this new US administration could not go back to same pretext. Sabotage Astana and Geneva talks, and to save armed terrorist groups. We were able to add another basket in Geneva (the basket of coutner-terrorism). They did not like this. Accusations of sue of CW we do not possess. This has been proved by JIM in June 2014 “Syria does not have CW.” Those that destroyed CW at that time were US ships. What a paradox. This comes at a time SAR is making strides against terrorism, at time when local and national is reconciliations, border control to stop flow of terrorists,…. And to unify counter-terrorism efforts. These are the results of Astana. If implemented, they would lead to end of syrian crisis. Attack comes at time where Geneva talks was shaping peace, at a time were we were having diplomatic entente, to inform public opinion of what is really happening in Syria
My country sent to you and other member of this council, inviting you, OPCW and tech members of OPCW to come to airbase to uncover truth. Syrian govt wants to know who used CW in Syria. On Astana and Geneva talks, there is problem of multitude of oppositions. My country rejects attempts of US UK FRA to sabotage those talks. We have engaged seriously in those talks bc our people hold us to this. US attack will not prevent us from fighting terrorism and engaging in next rounds of Astana and Geneva. We wills pare no effort to support political solution that will allow syrians decide their own future in manner that will secure sovereignty and territorial of Syria.
In closing, statement of France is strage that they were unable to shelf a resolution. This is dishonest. This draft resolution is a misuse of UNSC, reminding us of Iraq WMDs
SPEAKER:
we will reconvene at 3pm EDT
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1. Stakes are high.
2. Time for clear thinking and diplomatic surge, not military surge.
3. We don`t need to reinvent the wheel. We have a framework. Goal is clear. Political transition as per 2254 resolution. Nothing of that is in doubt.
4. Why we are talking in Moscow, at this very momeent, in discussion b/w US and RU is very important. What we are doing here is being aware of what is currently taking place in Moscow.
5. There are new aechelons, moments, meeting in Tehran, regarding relaunching ceasefire and Astana meeting. We are ready to relaunch intra-syrian talks to have a ceasefire (could be in May).
Priorities are resotring ceacefire, humanitarian access, restoring talks, and diplomatic surge.
CBS news: Syria said they do not have CW weapons. Can you refute that?
That was some time ago. Wes hould give chance to OPCW and JIM to do what they should be doing.
Italian reporter: All 15 members praise you. Is this looking worse after comments today? What can we do to help
Stick to what we said, in spite of feeling that there is mil solution, support political process, reprsented by sec gen and myself.
France24: Your meetings yesterday in DC. You met with McMaster and others. Any comments?
Also, how confident are you about guarntoors of Astana process that they are helping bring peace?
In DC i had meeting at NSA, with Mattis as well. Main contribution is to show and explain to Americans and everyone else that there is a political way out. One can build on that. WIll not elaborate on more details. Regarding Astana, two very important men, Erdogan and Putin, announced a ceasefire in Dec. And they committed, and it did work in Jan and good part in Feb. It is time for that commitment tobe renewed. Iran has joined so capacity to enforce this increased
Another reporter: Will US attend Astana and Geneva?
You should ask them. You know US is observer... since first meeting, which established process in Astana, It is their decision to upgrade
What about Geneva Are they a part of this?
Don`t forget Geneva is for Syrians.
Can you tell us about US strike impact politicaly and militarily?
Recent developments, both CW attack and US strike have been reminder and stimulator for feeling there is urge for diplomatic surge.
Mathew Lee, Inncer city press: When did you learn about strike and what did you do about it? Different focus in US about Assad not staying or not here in US. What you say…
I can`t answer second question. What I hear from US is that solution for future of syrian pol environment is negotiation and according to 2254 resolution. My first thought was how to avoid deescalation
As you know this building is full of rumors… How long will you stay in this role?
There is a long rumor on that, for last 3 years. My main consideration is personal, i am a human bean like you.
Resolution will be put up for vote. There are indications RU will veto it. In text that has appeared, res just focuses on condemnation and calls for detailed steps for investigation. Opinion?
No. Next and last question please.
I know the vision is for one unified vision. Do you see the country splitting into different regions?
*sighs* When i was involved in Iraq, there was a moment debate became that of dividing country into 3,4 areas bc it appeared a simple solution. I hear sometimes this option coming up on Syria. But as you heard, Syria with its own unity is crucial. Daesh has been able to show that they are trying to divide Syria and Iraq. Aim remains and should remain one syria. that is the ultimate aim.
Syrian War Report – April 12, 2017: Government Forces Advance Northwest Of Aleppo
This doesn't make sense... better bomb it to make sure.
The Question is.... was Trump duped by a false flag attack?
Maybe even a false flag attack engineered by the deep state?
Or was Trump in on the false flag attack?
The timing of Bannon's exile could be a clue.
I've recently heard that Trump's opinions are heavily influenced by the last person who speaks with him. When he was anathema to the Deep State, Bannon-types were his advisors, but when he got into the WH, he became immersed in Old Guard NeoCons. Plus, how can his daughter & son-in-law possibly be good advisors!? Who the fuck are they? It's that old, I'm aristocratic so I'm special attitude. Trump has showed his true colors, which is that he doesn't have any.
I for one never thought Trump had any political principles, and always though he was driven by self-interest, his personal legacy and his family's legacy. He only puts America First if it doesn't get in the way of those priorities and it seems foolish to expect otherwise.
StCapps wrote:I for one never thought Trump had any political principles, and always though he was driven by self-interest, his personal legacy and his family's legacy. He only puts America First if it doesn't get in the way of those priorities and it seems foolish to expect otherwise.
StCapps wrote:I for one never thought Trump had any political principles, and always though he was driven by self-interest, his personal legacy and his family's legacy. He only puts America First if it doesn't get in the way of those priorities and it seems foolish to expect otherwise.
Says Capps, who totally expected otherwise.
Sorry for your loss.
Deep down tho, I still thirst to kill you and eat you. Ultra Chimp can't help it.. - Smitty
StCapps wrote:I for one never thought Trump had any political principles, and always though he was driven by self-interest, his personal legacy and his family's legacy. He only puts America First if it doesn't get in the way of those priorities and it seems foolish to expect otherwise.
Yeah, like all aristocrats.
Well he is an aristocrat, so surely you saw this coming.
