Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[heydaralon]

Basically Europe shot itself in the foot after world war II. They needed manpower and labor due to their horrific casualties, so they started to let in muslims from their former colonies. The UK let in Pakis, Germany let in Turks, France let in Algerians and people from the Maghreb etc. These muslims helped to rebuild Europe and contributed low skilled labor. Some of them probably did not even rape (speculation). The trouble is, many Europeans in government thought that these workers were only going to be there temporarily. As a result, they did not have a long term plan for how to assimilate them into Western Society. Many of the muslims lived in shanty towns on the edges of Europe's large cities, and they stayed within their own ethnic group, keeping their own language and so forth. Sadly for Europe, these shanty towns have turned into giant Shariah Slums filled with criminals, rioters and generally undesirable people. I'm not a fan of BLM or any of the racial politics in the US, but I am honest enough to acknowledge that black people were brought here against their will and fucked around quite a bit by our country. Black crime and dysfunction is our cross to bear I guess. But Europe very recently made a conscious choice to allow muslims in who they owe nothing to. This is insane to me. They should have just taken the economic hit after World War II. They would be dealing with far less cultural conflicts than they are today. I realize that most muslims do not commit terrorist acts, but the number that are generally supportive of fucked up shit is far higher than anyone on the left wants to think about. Additionally, automation is making lots of work redundant. In our lifetime we will have a huge surplus of labor. The candle will burn at the other end too, with government needing to increase subsidies and welfare to those left jobless from the changing economy. People used to lament Europe's declining birthrates, but if you are making a transition into an economy of fewer jobs, that is the best sort of demographic trend to deal with! The last thing any country needs right now is a bunch of uneducated, assimilated, and hostile Third Worlders pouring into their country and leeching off of them. Hispanics and muslims have become emboldened by the useful idiots on the left, who have convinced them they do not have to even bother learning the language of the country they latch onto, and merely need to use their uterus like an ATM. Its even weirder that they don't just take the money and be appreciative. They actively try to shape and mold the new country's culture and policy to the point where it is PesoStan2.0. Never mind the fact that existing culture might be the reason that the country was even a desirable place to illegally immigrate to in the first place!

[heydaralon]

I think what's going on is that plenty of Turks, of whom Europe is pretty used to dealing with for some time, are actually pretty secular and adapt well. There are other more secular Muslims pretty much scattered around the Middle East and generally Europe is used to getting those kinds of immigrants. With the recent immigration crisis of the past few years though, I'm not sure anyone really understands the extent of radical or even more hardline sharia law beleiving immigrants they are getting. They mostly cluster in the cities, though in places like Germany that is changing. Most Europeans probably don't see them that often or if they do, they trick themselves into thinking they are being racist or not kind enough. Idk. Kind of my working theory. Then there is the possibility the situation is overblown by some outlets on the right, but I doubt it is too much. Even if it were, the demographic trends projected over the next century are absolutely frightening. Probably the one situation that drove me further right than anything. I was ok with the concept of America becoming a white minority to some extent but the idea that white people are slated to become a minority EVERYWHERE and nobody cares is fucking depressing. Why are whites the only race that is asked of them?

I'm not sure how the average German or Frenchman feels about all of these immigrants. Most of them, are probably harmless. But Even if 1 in 1000 of them is radicalized or becomes radicalized, Europe has created over 1000 security threats. This is not even counting the numerous gang rapes, and robberies that these new arrivals have perpetrated. People will rightly point out that the threat of dying in a terrorist attack is quite small, but so what? If even 10 people are murdered by migrants in Europe, the leaders of that country need to explain to their taxpaying electorate why their safety is being prioritized less than the "rights" of an unwanted and economically draining shariah parasite group. Its almost like Merkel feels like she is more accountable to acid throwing salafists then the Germans who elected her.

[Speaker to Animals]

The time will come for a great separation in which people are sent back to their home countries. Either that or we lose our countries to Islam. I honestly do not believe it's possible to continue down this road without either of those outcomes.

And even if we just surrender to extinction and hand over our nations to Islam, it won't work for them either. They are all different ethnicities united only by religion. I don't see Iraqis, Turks, Syrians, and Pakistanis all getting along in some utopian sharia-ruled Eurabia. I just don't. They have to deal with the multiculturalism in that aftermath as well, and for them it's probably even worse and more violent.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Would it be fair to speculate then, that if even 1 of 1000 American blacks were inclined to crime, then we should deport them all to Africa?

[ssu]

Wouldn't the wages be higher if there were a scarcity of labor?

Sure, if there would be a global scarcity of labour. The thing is that an one-family house in the US cannot be built by robots in China, but a lot of things can be built by robots in China. So if that product can be made a lot cheaper in China, guess where with free trade that job will go to.

The idea that you can just stop international trade, defend your own domestic industry with tariffs on imports (an argument given by the German School in economics in the 19th Century) works only if your domestic industry uses that advantage to catch up.

But usually it doesn't happen that way: once some domestic industry has protection (because off tariffs etc,) against outside competition, they will just enjoy the profits and don't care a shit about how their products in reality compete with the outside world if the tariffs wouldn't be in Place. Hence they don't have any ability to compete even later in the Global Market. Just like with currency devalutions, it's a way many times for the owners of the companies just to get profits without no need to truly improve their production and their products.

Furthermore, how is it possible for arguably the best all around educated peoples on the planet, to not be qualified in ample measure? If Europe is so leftist and labor centric why do they not address the problem with adequate schooling? Is it not free already?

Education and schooling isn't the only answer, you know. You have also to have a functioning Private sector, entrepreneurs and the possibilities for entrepreneurs to succeed. Never underestimate things like entrepreneurship or workethic, which emerge from a lot of things being good or OK in the society in general.

Not much use for top quality education if your country lacks job openings for qualified people.

[TheReal_ND]

Would it be fair to speculate then, that if even 1 of 1000 American blacks were inclined to crime, then we should deport them all to Africa?

Stop being theatrical. No sane person wants to do that.

Education and schooling isn't the only answer, you know. You have also to have a functioning Private sector, entrepreneurs and the possibilities for entrepreneurs to succeed. Never underestimate things like entrepreneurship or workethic, which emerge from a lot of things being good or OK in the society in general

German schooling isn't focused on degrees. There are different colleges for trades and other careers. You don't have an excuse for not being able to fill jobs unless it's your firm belief some people just won't do them.

Very well. Let's make some robots to pick the strawberries and we can have good jobs building robots.

[heydaralon]

Would it be fair to speculate then, that if even 1 of 1000 American blacks were inclined to crime, then we should deport them all to Africa?

Thats like apples and oranges man. Blacks were brought here by slavery. Many of them have been here as long as anyone. I don't like a lot of aspects of black culture, but I recognize the historical process that brought them to this country. They are citizens as much as you or I am. Europe's muslim problem is recent and completely self inflicted. Muslims were not brought to Europe via some historical wrong, they are by and large economic opportunists who are using the high trust societies of Europe to subsidize their lifestyles and excuse their crime.
European leftists who think that muslims will be their steadfast allies are kidding themselves. Muslims are far more right on social issues than Rick Santorum or Marine Le Penn.
Here's the thing. I don't think we should go to the Middle East and interfere with their culture and politics. I'm not supportive of neoconservative projects or human rights crusades against muslims who treat women like property in Sudan or Afghanistan. I think its deplorable, but it is an internal affair that the Muslim world should deal with. However, I don't think its unreasonable for the West to turn away people who have such diametrically opposed beliefs. I just read an article on al-jazeera that said 30-50 million muslims in the middle east have a favorable view of Daesh. How many people of that sample group do you think German taxpayers should subsidize with free housing? If they were able to vote in Europe, how comfortable would you feel living in that country? Don't worry, those takfir preachers have a soft spot in their hearts for secular humanists! When those Jahbat al Nusra guys aren't making beheading videos, they are watching Neil DeGrasse Tyson videos on youtube and reading the Selfish Gene. They will fit right in with your worldview.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Lol just because they weren't kid napped and dragged in chains, doesn't mean they aren't there because of a historical wrong.

Their part of the world has been designated a dumping ground for every MIC and colonial empire for centuries. Their governments are regularly upended or undermined, their society is at the mercy of robber barons and religious freaks, and a shutload of them are drowning and being abused, just trying to get out.

Their kids are shot and bombed, their women are raped, and their men are tortured - just as a matter of life. And we're supposed to be angry at the ones that make it, because a very few of them are fucking crazy by now? I fail to see the distinction. Honestly.

They have zero concept of modern life - it's the equivalent of dumping 10,000 cavemen into LA. Of course they're going to band together and cling to their batshit traditions while they adjust. That's human nature. You should be ashamed, imo.

[TheReal_ND]

Why?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Why?

For allowing yourself to be so blinded by partisan, media-driven, paranoid hyperbole that you'll happily accept the suffering of millions to protect a broken ideology, and clutch pearls over things happening on the other side of the planet.