Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:21 am

This was the text you all voted on:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

It says nothing about "deals" and second, third, fourth, fifth votes until Monty gets what he wants.

I mean.. if you wanted to be an ubercunt lawyer about it.. I suppose you could argue the text does not say the United Kingdom will leave the EU, but whether it "should" be a member.

"Should" and "will" are two different verbs, with the latter being performative and the former being a qualitative statement.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:23 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:13 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:11 am
Win at all costs and fuck the truth.
Your version of democracy sucks.
Your version of democracy doesn't exist. I simply acknowledge reality, instead of putting my head in the sand and pretending it will be different, if I just wish hard enough, that they didn't lie.


Politicians are always going to lie, get over it.
The difference between your version of democracy and mine is that you think it is perfectly acceptable to be lied to by the people running our lives. I do not.
You suck.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by StCapps » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:25 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:23 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:13 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:11 am
Win at all costs and fuck the truth.
Your version of democracy sucks.
Your version of democracy doesn't exist. I simply acknowledge reality, instead of putting my head in the sand and pretending it will be different, if I just wish hard enough, that they didn't lie.


Politicians are always going to lie, get over it.
The difference between your version of democracy and mine is that you think it is perfectly acceptable to be lied to by the people running our lives. I do not.
You suck.
I do not think that is acceptable, but it is the how politics work, politicians lie. Virtue signaling about how much I don't like lies isn't going to fix fuck all. No amount of virtue signalling is going to make politicians on all sides stop lying, that's not how reality works, wishful thinking doesn't make it so.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:26 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:21 am
This was the text you all voted on:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

It says nothing about "deals" and second, third, fourth, fifth votes until Monty gets what he wants.

I mean.. if you wanted to be an ubercunt lawyer about it.. I suppose you could argue the text does not say the United Kingdom will leave the EU, but whether it "should" be a member.
Exactly.
Parliament is opposed to no-deal and the people are opposed to no-deal. There is no scenario where no-deal is the democratic will of the people.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by BjornP » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:35 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:19 am
BjornP wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:12 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:54 am
Voting for a lie is not democracy.
God, what a moronic thing to say. Take responsibility for your vote or don’t vote at all. If you vote from a position of ignorance, the outcome of the vote isn’t invalidated.
There is a massive difference between ignorance and deliberate misinformation.
Besides which, no one voted for a no-deal Brexit. We were told that we would leave with a better deal than we currently have. This has been shown to be completely untrue. All bets are off.
There is absolutely no difference.

If a politician deliberately misinforms, it's still up to the public to think critically. Ignorance is what makes misinformation effective. Take active responsibility for your democracy instead of trying to ban and undermine election results you don't agree with.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:36 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:25 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:23 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:13 am
Your version of democracy doesn't exist. I simply acknowledge reality, instead of putting my head in the sand and pretending it will be different, if I just wish hard enough, that they didn't lie.


Politicians are always going to lie, get over it.
The difference between your version of democracy and mine is that you think it is perfectly acceptable to be lied to by the people running our lives. I do not.
You suck.
I do not think that is acceptable, but it is the how politics work, politicians lie. Virtue signaling about how much I don't like lies isn't going to fix fuck all. No amount of virtue signalling is going to make politicians on all sides stop lying, that's not how reality works, wishful thinking doesn't make it so.
You do think it's acceptable. ''Just win'' is your philosophy.
You care nothing for rules as your position on performance enhancing drugs in sports shows. You encourage cheating and lying.
No amount of supporting liars is going to stop lying.
Exposing and ridiculing liars and cheats is how you sto[p liars and cheats.
How many 100m Olympic golds did Ben Johnson win?
How many Tour de France titles did Lance Armstrong win?
The answer is zero because lying and cheating were exposed.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by StCapps » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:37 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:36 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:25 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:23 am

The difference between your version of democracy and mine is that you think it is perfectly acceptable to be lied to by the people running our lives. I do not.
You suck.
I do not think that is acceptable, but it is the how politics work, politicians lie. Virtue signaling about how much I don't like lies isn't going to fix fuck all. No amount of virtue signalling is going to make politicians on all sides stop lying, that's not how reality works, wishful thinking doesn't make it so.
You do think it's acceptable. ''Just win'' is your philosophy.
You care nothing for rules as your position on performance enhancing drugs in sports shows. You encourage cheating and lying.
No amount of supporting liars is going to stop lying.
Exposing and ridiculing liars and cheats is how you sto[p liars and cheats.
How many 100m Olympic golds did Ben Johnson win?
How many Tour de France titles did Lance Armstrong win?
The answer is zero because lying and cheating were exposed.
You can't stop liars and cheats, you're delusional. You catch the occasional fly in your lame spiders web, but the wasps go free.

Ben Johnson is the shit, Lance Armstrong is the shit, they should have been stripped of nothing, fuck you.

Just win baby, fuck your PED hysteria, and fuck your politicians lying hysteria too.

No amount of hating on liars is going to stop liars, you're delusional to think it will.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:41 am

BjornP wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:35 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:19 am
BjornP wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:12 am


God, what a moronic thing to say. Take responsibility for your vote or don’t vote at all. If you vote from a position of ignorance, the outcome of the vote isn’t invalidated.
There is a massive difference between ignorance and deliberate misinformation.
Besides which, no one voted for a no-deal Brexit. We were told that we would leave with a better deal than we currently have. This has been shown to be completely untrue. All bets are off.
There is absolutely no difference.

If a politician deliberately misinforms, it's still up to the public to think critically. Ignorance is what makes misinformation effective. Take active responsibility for your democracy instead of trying to ban and undermine election results you don't agree with.
What election results?
It was an advisory referendum with zero validity in law according to the courts.
Imposing no-deal Brexit against the will of both Parliament and the people is not Democracy.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:43 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:37 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:36 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:25 am
I do not think that is acceptable, but it is the how politics work, politicians lie. Virtue signaling about how much I don't like lies isn't going to fix fuck all. No amount of virtue signalling is going to make politicians on all sides stop lying, that's not how reality works, wishful thinking doesn't make it so.
You do think it's acceptable. ''Just win'' is your philosophy.
You care nothing for rules as your position on performance enhancing drugs in sports shows. You encourage cheating and lying.
No amount of supporting liars is going to stop lying.
Exposing and ridiculing liars and cheats is how you sto[p liars and cheats.
How many 100m Olympic golds did Ben Johnson win?
How many Tour de France titles did Lance Armstrong win?
The answer is zero because lying and cheating were exposed.
You can't stop liars and cheats, you're delusional. You catch the occasional fly in your lame spiders web, but the wasps go free.

Ben Johnson is the shit, Lance Armstrong is the shit, they should have been stripped of nothing, fuck you.

Just win baby, fuck your PED hysteria, and fuck your politicians lying hysteria too.
Exactly, you support liars and cheats. I oppose them.
You suck.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by StCapps » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:46 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:43 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:37 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:36 am


You do think it's acceptable. ''Just win'' is your philosophy.
You care nothing for rules as your position on performance enhancing drugs in sports shows. You encourage cheating and lying.
No amount of supporting liars is going to stop lying.
Exposing and ridiculing liars and cheats is how you sto[p liars and cheats.
How many 100m Olympic golds did Ben Johnson win?
How many Tour de France titles did Lance Armstrong win?
The answer is zero because lying and cheating were exposed.
You can't stop liars and cheats, you're delusional. You catch the occasional fly in your lame spiders web, but the wasps go free.

Ben Johnson is the shit, Lance Armstrong is the shit, they should have been stripped of nothing, fuck you.

Just win baby, fuck your PED hysteria, and fuck your politicians lying hysteria too.
Exactly, you support liars and cheats. I oppose them.
You suck.
You support liars too, unless you never supported the cause of any politicians in your entire life. They are all liars Monte, and in sports, especially male sports, pretty much everyone uses PED's, and those who don't should be using them, because using PED's shouldn't be against the rules and they are beneficial.
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