Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

[Smitty-48]

As I said, there is an incestuous relationship between the entrenched interests in Washington and the tail that wags them in Tel Aviv, but none of that has ever amounted to an actual alliance, which is why the FBI never looking into it, but then suddenly going apeshit about Russia because Trump made a fool of the party establishments and their sycophants in the media, shows how you can get away with anything so long as you are playing the entrenched interest game inside the beltway, but if you're not under the control of those self approving entrenched interests, suddenly doing what they do on a daily basis, gets elevated to "treason, espionage, and war against democracy".

Any reasonable person would have gotten real on this by now, but not you, ssu, you cling to the Trump-Russia card tenaciously it seems, me however, despite whatever criticisms I might have for Trump, can see that obvious inside the beltway witchunt is obvious, same as it was with Clinton, it's the just the Clintonistas trying to get their payback for that now.

This is how the game is played, whenever a rogue candidate breaks through, which, until triangulation, Clinton most certainly was, the entrenched interests will go into Ken Starr Witchunt mode until they can bring said candidate to heel, and impose triangulation upon them, triangualtion simply being a euphemism for selling your constituents down the river to the beltway.

Once Clinton capitulated, he got a slap on the wrist, once Trump capitulates, same-same for him too.

[Smitty-48]

By the way, the US has prepositioned equipment in Russia, since it was piling up on the Russian loading docks, before being shipped all the way across Russia to Afghanistan to supply CENTCOM and NATO, so kind of odd that the US military would be entrusting billions in hi-tech military hadware to be shipped, and its MSR lifeline, to the Russians, while America was at war, when Russia is supposedly a sworn enemy.

At the same time, when did the Russian air force ever fire on a US Navy warship? Has never happened once, Isreal on the other hand, is an "ally" which has actually conducted an air attack against the US Navy on the high seas. Mmmhmmm.

America's spy ship got a little too close to Isreal's shit for Isreal's liking, and; WAP!, that's an "ally" like a pit viper is your "ally", apparently.Anybody here raise your hand, if you think Isreal is actually your ally, who wouldn't fuck your shit up in a heartbeat, if they felt like they needed to?

I mean, ca'mon, Isreal is on nobody's side but Isreal's, everybody should know how this works by now.

Apparently the memo on Isreal not being an ally to anyone but themselves, never made it up to Finnish air defense artillery officer school, nor to most of the American public neither, since the "Isreal Ally" fallacy does seem to get a lot of traction amongst the low information media and associated sheeple as well.

At this juncture, as an actual American ally, I would say that we have no particular quarrel with the Isrealis, nor the Russians, neither is an actual enemy, but also, neither of them are our allies. America and Canada; allies. Russia and Isreal; free agents.

Are both the Russians and Isrealis screwing around with both of us? No doubt they are, but in fact, it's not a casus belli in of itself, Isreal has no formal alliance and so is not obligated to do anything for us, to include not screwing around with us, and Article V has not been invoked in the face of Russia, so no state of war exists with them neither.

Geopolitics is a rough and tumble game and the elbows will get thrown in the corners, but you haven't dropped the gloves until you've dropped the gloves, and it's not CNN & Co who decides if you have or haven't, Don Lemon does not assert who is and who isn't an enemy, nor whether the gloves have been dropped or not, but if they haven't, then just play on.

Thus, Stone, Manafort, Page; no state secrets passed, no enemies of the state in play, hence, no espionage, no treason, and in fact no crime, anywhere to be seen here. Obvious inside the beltway partisan witchunt is obvious, and it's pretty obvious who is pulling the strings and why, and it's always obvious that the FBI is J. Edgar Hoover & Co, the same corruptible secret political police that they've been all along.

This is not to say that it is wise per se, to get in bed with the Russians, anymore than it is wise per se, to get in bed with the Israelis, but in either case, it still doesn't amount to "treason, espionage, and ZOMG war against Democracy!"

The only people at war against democracy here, are the ones asserting a casus belli where there is none, and trying to inject national security as a rubric to overthrow a mandate from the electoral college, who knew?

The New American McCarthyism, anybody who votes against your agenda is a "traitor!" and even thouugh everybody is employing the same dirty tricks, it's only the ones which are being employed against your tribe which is the "espionage!"

[The Conservative]

I don't think there's anything strange here

Of course you don't.

Big ole nothingburger, not even any mustard on it.

Because the goddam FBI's mission is to look at what the Russians are up to. Any self respecting counter-intelligence unit would keep taps here.

You don't seem to get it. Some Manafort and Carter Page are quite easy pickings here as they are totally in bed with the Russians.

Only in the US do they have the right to see what the Russians are doing. Outside of if, that’s CIA territory.

[ssu]

Smitty, you are wrong.

Israel is actually an designated ally of the US.

Not only is anymore what the US designates a MNNA, Major non-NATO ally, from December 2014 it's above that and is termed Major Strategic Partner. If you look at the actual US Congress legislation, H.R.938 - United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014, it refers in the start: "Title I: United States-Israel Strategic Alliance". Cannot be more clear than how it's written in passed legislation, Smitty.

About the Major Strategic Partner legislation, from the time:

The legislation deepens US-Israeli cooperation on defense and energy, and expresses “the sense of Congress that Israel is a major strategic partner of the United States.” In addition, it authorizes an increase of $200 million in the value of US weapons held in forward stockpiles in Israel, to a total of $1.8 billion. In the event of an emergency, Israel can access the stockpiles as long as it reimburses the US for any weapons used.

The bill also expands cooperation on research and development, business, agriculture, water management and academics. The bill requires the administration to take steps toward allowing Israel to be included in the top-tier category for license-free exports of certain US defense technologies and products as well as to provide more frequent and more detailed assessments on the status of Israel’s qualitative military edge over its neighbors.

Earlier this year, Congress increased US funding for Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system, to $351 million for fiscal year 2015 from $235 million the previous year.

A controversial section of the Strategic Partnership bill that sought to secure a special exemption for Israel in the Visa Waiver Program was replaced instead with language that simply states that it shall be the policy of the United States to include Israel in the list of countries that participate in the Visa Waiver Program when Israel satisfies — and as long as Israel continues to satisfy — the requirements for inclusion in the program.

Members of the House on both sides of the aisle quickly congratulated the bipartisan effort in bringing the bill to passage.

“The US-Israel relationship is based on a shared determination to defend democracy and ensure that the people of Israel can live peacefully in their ancient homeland,” lauded House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD). “Those who would stand opposed to Israel’s right to exist or its important historic role ought to see in today’s legislative action a reminder that the American people stands shoulder-to-shoulder with our ally Israel as it seeks the peace and security it deserves.”

And if you try to make a strawman about there being no mutual defence pact between the US and Israel, this just shows the heightened special position that Israel enjoys: The US will come to the defence of Israel, but the US cannot ask Israel to do the same thing.

AIPAC rules.

[Smitty-48]

Of course you don't.

Big ole nothingburger, not even any mustard on it.

Because the goddam FBI's mission is to look at what the Russians are up to. Any self respecting counter-intelligence unit would keep taps here.

You don't seem to get it. Some Manafort and Carter Page are quite easy pickings here as they are totally in bed with the Russians.

Only in the US do they have the right to see what the Russians are doing. Outside of if, that’s CIA territory.

The FBI is not restricted to the US, the CIA is prohibited from running operations against American targets on US territory, but that doesn't mean the FBI is restricted to only operating on US territory, the FBI can go wherever, counterintelligence isn't restricted in the same way intelligence is.

The only thing restricting the FBI on foreign soil is the authority on that soil, but if the FBI wants to conduct counterintelligence in Germany and the BND is OK with it, there's no US law prohibiting that, although the FBI would probably work through the BND in a liason type scenario.

Even if the BND wasn't OK with it, the FBI could still set up shop in the embassy and/or consulates, likely in conjunction with the CIA station chief in fact.

The FBI is the most powerful intelligence agency of them all, they can do most of the things the NSA and CIA do, but the FBI can do it anywhere, and unlike NSA and CIA, the FBI has the power to lay charges and arrest Americans, anywhere they can get to them.

Let's say you run to a non extradition country? OK, but the FBI can still follow you there, they just can't arrest you there, on the other hand, since you're not on US soil, the FBI could have the CIA grab you and bring you to an airport and put you on a US plane, at which point, the FBI could just be sitting there on the plane waiting for you, and they would just arrest you as soon as you were in the air.

Like, Eddie Snowden flipping out about the NSA? Big whoop, the FBI has all that sort of kit, that kit is basically off the shelf in this day and age, and the FBI playing poltical games? That's exponentially worse than the CIA, the CIA doesn't have any power in America, the FBI has all the power, and whatever ops the CIA can run, the FBI can run shit like that too, they're plenty covert, and they've conducted plenty of clandestine dirty warfare tricks on American soil, COINTELPRO, who was that? That wasn't the CIA, that was the FBI.

You only have to look at Ruby Ridge to see how nasty the FBI can be on US soil, that was basically just a targeted assasination that went sideways, they screwed the pooch and lit the family up instead of hitting the primary target.

Same thing when COINTELPRO lit the Black Panthers up in LA in 68', another targeted assasination on US soil for all intents and purposes, they just sent the LAPD in to do their dirty work for them.

[clubgop]

Russia doesn't get aid from the US. Israel does.

Russia doesn't buy 10 billion of weapons from the US but Israel does. That aid is a coupon. Kinda like a supermarket. With apples and oranges.

[Smitty-48]

Russia doesn't get aid from the US. Israel does.

Russia doesn't buy 10 billion of weapons from the US but Israel does. That aid is a coupon. Kinda like a supermarket. With apples and oranges.

Russia would buy 10 billion of US weapons if you were willing to sell to them, there's plenty of US kit the Russians would like to buy, they source US kit where they can, they bring it in from the Czech Republic.

They would like to sell weapons to Americans as well, Kalashnikov have the new bad ass AK-12's and AK-15's, but they can't sell them in the US because of these dumb assed sanctions.

[Okeefenokee]

Hey fakenewsbot, get a lookie.

[The Conservative]

Hey fakenewsbot, get a lookie.

OK, I have to admit, that was good.

[C-Mag]

The Obama admin....*ahem* the MSM is saying these accusations are "baseless", "unfounded", and there is "no evidence" of it.

Funny..... MSM doesn't reference their own reporting now