If Mexico is going to pay for the wall, why does Trump need money from Congress?

[heydaralon]

I'll bet these same people who think $5 billion is too much probably take every number about what illegals cost this country per year that CNN gives them at face value (to say nothing of the generational welfare issues it causes when these folks replicate a new gen of welfare recipients). What were we spending a day staying in Syria? CNN and the Dems didn't seem to mind that, and that country is not even tangentially connected to our country's national security or the rape, robbery, and murder of our citizens.



There is a middle ground:

People who want illegals here are fine with rape. They want the rape of our culture, our workforce, our treasury, and our people to take place. That has been proven time and again. Here is the compromise: Central Americans from Honduras, Mexico, and Guatemala who want to come here can just rape in their own countries. Why not? There are plenty of women to rape, and if they don't want to work and cause issues, they can also rape their own nations' treasuries. The fallacy Democrats have is that these people have to rape us, when there is plenty of raping they can do south of the Rio Grande. While I am personally repulsed by this behavior, if these wannabe DREAMERs want to contain their heinous crimes to their own countries, it is not our problem. That is for the judicial system of Mexico and its law enforcement to figure out. I just don't want it happening in the US, especially if we can help to stop it at least somewhat, with a wall. People who even support a single illegal here are fine with mass rape in America. I'm old fashioned (I know, I know) and I don't want said mass rape to happen within our borders. Build that wall and confiscate all the remittances the rapists send back home to fund it. If you are in this country illegally, you shouldn't get to keep even a single cent of the money you made. For these scumbags, America is like a giant Hotel for them to stay in compared to their own shitstain lands. We should send them a bill, the same way resorts do when you stay there, including one for the room service (free ER care and use of our infrastructure) they also used. That bill is all the money they made. Problem solved.

[Montegriffo]

The wall isn't going to cost more than doing nothing and just bankrupting the social welfare system, destroying the tax base, wiping out the working class, and watching more of our nation fall into ruin.

If Jedi thinks we cannot afford this wall, then I really puzzle at how he thinks we can afford to pay for tens of millions of uneducated dindus to live here on welfare.

Doesn't matter how much the wall costs if it isn't fit for purpose.
Might as well save the money and just put up a 2' high rope fence if all you want is a symbol and an electioneering vanity project.
Preferably a hemp rope to minimise the environmental impact.

What is the definition of "fit for purpose"?

If the wall deters 50% of illegal border crossers, is it "fit for purpose"?
70%? 90%? Is there some level where it's not? Under 10%?

I mean nobody, not even Trump, probably expects it to stop 100% of illegals, that's not the point, lots come in legally and just overstayed visas, the wall won't solve that at all, but it might deter a good chunk at the border.

"The wall won't stop the majority of illegal immigration which comes through over stayed visas" Totally worth 50 billion though 'cos reasons...

Illegal border crossings have been declining for the last 30 years. No one ever mentions that do they.

[clubgop]

Doesn't matter how much the wall costs if it isn't fit for purpose.
Might as well save the money and just put up a 2' high rope fence if all you want is a symbol and an electioneering vanity project.
Preferably a hemp rope to minimise the environmental impact.

What is the definition of "fit for purpose"?

If the wall deters 50% of illegal border crossers, is it "fit for purpose"?
70%? 90%? Is there some level where it's not? Under 10%?

I mean nobody, not even Trump, probably expects it to stop 100% of illegals, that's not the point, lots come in legally and just overstayed visas, the wall won't solve that at all, but it might deter a good chunk at the border.

"The wall won't stop the majority of illegal immigration which comes through over stayed visas" Totally worth 50 billion though 'cos reasons...

Illegal border crossings have been declining for the last 30 years. No one ever mentions that do they.

No one does, no one. Because it would be dishonest, massaged numbers to do so.

[PartyOf5]

"The wall won't stop the majority of illegal immigration which comes through over stayed visas" Totally worth 50 billion though 'cos reasons...

Illegal border crossings have been declining for the last 30 years. No one ever mentions that do they.

Have illegal border crossings stopped? No. Bringing up overstayed visas is another distraction from the issue being discussed. Two separate issues.

There is no actual count of how many people successfully cross the border illegally. The numbers you use to indicate a decline use the number of apprehensions, which can be affected by a number of other variables.

So unreliable numbers and a separate issue are your best arguments against a wall.

[PartyOf5]

Nice work there Jim.

CNN’s Jim Acosta mocked for accidentally proving that border walls work
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-j ... walls-work

“Here are some of the steel slats that the president’s been talking about,” Acosta said while reporting from the southern border. “But as we’re walking along here, we’re not seeing any kind of imminent danger.”

Acosta then declared there was “no sign of the national emergency that the president has been talking about” and it was “tranquil” near him. He captioned the video, “I found some steel slats down on the border. But I don’t see anything resembling a national emergency situation.

Media watchdogs were quick to point out that the CNN reporter’s video helps prove Trump’s point that a wall or barrier along the Southern border could help prevent illegal border crossings.

[Montegriffo]

Nice work there Jim.

CNN’s Jim Acosta mocked for accidentally proving that border walls work
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-j ... walls-work

“Here are some of the steel slats that the president’s been talking about,” Acosta said while reporting from the southern border. “But as we’re walking along here, we’re not seeing any kind of imminent danger.”

Acosta then declared there was “no sign of the national emergency that the president has been talking about” and it was “tranquil” near him. He captioned the video, “I found some steel slats down on the border. But I don’t see anything resembling a national emergency situation.

Media watchdogs were quick to point out that the CNN reporter’s video helps prove Trump’s point that a wall or barrier along the Southern border could help prevent illegal border crossings.

1) It was a 5' security fence not a wall.

2) According to locals interviewed by CNN, immigrants did occasionally cross the border illegally but never caused any problems for them.

3) Trump is a national emergency situation.

[PartyOf5]

1) It was a 5' security fence not a wall.

2) According to locals interviewed by CNN, immigrants did occasionally cross the border illegally but never caused any problems for them.

3) Trump is a national emergency situation.

1. Jim must be really short then, because in the video the wall is taller than he is. So you point is what, that we don't need anything more than a 5' slat wall?

2. If just a 5' slat wall will do, then it's not enough because locals said immigrants still crossed. Thanks for pointing out that a bigger, better wall is needed. That's if you believe CNN. CNN also contacted a number of San Diego TV stations asking about the wall in their area. When the stations replied that the wall was working, CNN immediately dropped interest in doing the story. CNN has ZERO credibility with US citizens, so using their interviews is about as reliable as Baghdad Bob.

3. Only to deranged liberals.

[Montegriffo]

1) It was a 5' security fence not a wall.

2) According to locals interviewed by CNN, immigrants did occasionally cross the border illegally but never caused any problems for them.

3) Trump is a national emergency situation.

1. Jim must be really short then, because in the video the wall is taller than he is. So you point is what, that we don't need anything more than a 5' slat wall?

2. If just a 5' slat wall will do, then it's not enough because locals said immigrants still crossed. Thanks for pointing out that a bigger, better wall is needed. That's if you believe CNN. CNN also contacted a number of San Diego TV stations asking about the wall in their area. When the stations replied that the wall was working, CNN immediately dropped interest in doing the story. CNN has ZERO credibility with US citizens, so using their interviews is about as reliable as Baghdad Bob.

3. Only to deranged liberals.

1) The point is barriers don't stop determined people and Fox lied about there being a wall which worked when it was a fence that didn't.

2) Fox has no more credibility than CNN.

3) The man wants to waste money on ineffectual measures which could be better spent on ones which would. If people crossing the border are a national emergency situation then Trump should stop diverting money from more effective measures in order to fund his vanity project.

Employ more border patrol officers, invest in more surveillance technologies, take companies to court for employing illegals etc...

[Speaker to Animals]

It's really amazing how these degenerates want to refashion our nations into something as close to Hell as possible before they drift into genetic extinction.

[Fife]