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[StCapps]

You are willing to choose sides. I am not. You do you. I'll be over here, rejecting it all.

What side have I chosen again? I don't recall choosing a side. I'm not playing on Red Team or Blue Team, I'm just a foreign spectator without a horse in the race, calling it like I see it.
/shrugs

I'm way less emotionally invested in Red Team vs Blue Team than Americans who actually have to live with their bullshit, whether you can see it or not. You insist on lumping me in as some Trump nuthugger who thinks he can do no wrong, but that isn't even close to the truth, I just call bullshit when I see it and you are mistaking that for taking sides.

[DBTrek]

... sudden love?

Who do you think built the Interstate system?

NASA
Polio vaccine
Eradication of smallpox
Internet (which some use to criticize the very concept of government itself, which amuses me greatly)

Seattle Dems are like “We do infrastructure too, like section 8 housing, tent cities, and safe injection sites!!!”

Indeed.
“They both do infrastructure”

[K@th]

You are willing to choose sides. I am not. You do you. I'll be over here, rejecting it all.

What side have I chosen again? I don't recall choosing a side. I'm not playing on Red Team or Blue Team, I'm just a foreign spectator without a horse in the race, calling it like I see it.
/shrugs

I'm way less emotionally invested in Red Team vs Blue Team than Americans who actually have to live with their bullshit, whether you can see it or not. You insist on lumping me in as some Trump nuthugger who thinks he can do no wrong, but that isn't even close to the truth, I just call bullshit when I see it and you are mistaking that for taking sides.

You believe, seriously, that the most cost-effective and efficient way to keep Mexicans out of this country is with a yuge wall. The only people who truly believe that are the Trump-Bots. Only 33% of illegal immigrants come through the wall. It's idiotic to pretend it will fix the problem. It won't. Adding thousands and thousands of agents to stand side-by-side won't fix it either, since it's not the biggest part of the problem.

Why not tackle the big problem instead of spending billions on the smaller part of the problem. It's NOT logical.

[DBTrek]

Yet other believe the majority of illegal immigrants are working on W2s, and not as black market labor that all ready flaunts the “power” of the law (in addition to flaunting our immigration laws). Surely a few more laws will fix this right on up.

Lulz

[StCapps]

You believe, seriously, that the most cost-effective and efficient way to keep Mexicans out of this country is with a yuge wall.

Incorrect.

The only people who truly believe that are the Trump-Bots. Only 33% of illegal immigrants come through the wall. It's idiotic to pretend it will fix the problem. It won't. Adding thousands and thousands of agents to stand side-by-side won't fix it either, since it's not the biggest part of the problem.

Why not tackle the big problem instead of spending billions on the smaller part of the problem. It's NOT logical.

No one is pretending the wall will fix the problem, no one security measure will. You spend money on the wall to sell the rest of the border security plan, you don't have to spend a lot on the wall part of the plan, just a token amount will do. The wall is an irrational buzzterm that sells the rest of the plan, it's not logical, but logic doesn't sell that well, if it did then the biggest policy wonk would win most elections, yet that isn't what happens, the one who comes up with best irrational buzzwords and slogans usually does.

Gotta give the people what they want or you can't give them what they need, or they won't let you for irrational reasons, logic isn't not as important of factor as you seem to think it is.

[K@th]

Yet other believe the majority or illegal immigrants are working on W2s, and not as black market labor that all ready flaunts the “power” of the law (in addition to flaunting our immigration laws). Surely a few more laws will fix this right on up.

Lulz

Make the penalties punitive.

35% of their staff gone due to immigration raids. What is their penalty for hiring illegal immigrants? None? So they'll do it again? Hmmm. What if we charged them a fine of $10K per person hired illegally, and put that money into enforcement? (I don't know the number, but make it punitive.) How many companies would have to pay that huge penalty before other companies would think, "nah, not worth it. Hire legally."

Then tell Americans they have to start paying their actual costs for stuff, especially food.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-2 ... tion-raids

[K@th]

it's not logical

Thanks for being willing to spend billions of "not your" dollars on an illogical fix.

[StCapps]

it's not logical

Thanks for being willing to spend billions of "not your" dollars on an illogical fix.

If it sells the logical fix, for a reasonable amount, then that's a good deal. Illogical buzzterms can sell logical border security better than facts any day of the week. The world is not a rational place, it's about time that you learn that.

Logic doesn't sell, emotion does.

You need to look at Donald Trump as a salesman, not as a policy wonk, or his actions won't make any sense to you.

No Trump whispering is required, you just need the right frame to view his actions through, and you don't need to be Trump-bot to view him as a salesman who appeals to the feelz of the electorate. In fact you can be an foreign spectator without a horse in the race, and still think of Trump that way, hence my positon.
/shrugs

[K@th]

You need to look at Donald Trump as a salesman, not as a policy wonk, or his actions won't make any sense to you.

He's a terrible salesman, or, I'm not prone to be taken in by sleazy salesman tactics.

[StCapps]

You need to look at Donald Trump as a salesman, not as a policy wonk, or his actions won't make any sense to you.

He's a terrible salesman, or, I'm not prone to be taken in by sleazy salesman tactics.

It's the latter, a lot of people are prone to sleazy salesman tactics, otherwise sleazy salesmen would stop using them, they use them for a reason, they work on the highest percentage of people, which maximizes sales. Same-same with politicians.

Trump is just doing what works, appealing to feelz, and he has a tendancy to ignore logic when it doesn't help him, just like any good salesman would.

Trump is not a policy wonk, he's a sleazy salesman who sales pitched his way to being POTUS.

Policy wonks don't win elections, sleazy salesmen do.

If Trump was bad at selling himself, he wouldn't be POTUS.