Tax Plan For Aristocracy

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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by K@th » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:31 pm

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Kath wrote:The problem is the bottom boats are not rising. The 1% have had triple digit increases since the Reagan years, but the middle class and poor class have not. Rising water may lift all boats, but rising profits doesn't lift all people.
Sure but the solution is not to take from the rich, it's to increase the opportunity for people of all classes to get rich, if they earn it. The best way to do that is not punish the rich, we want to incentive people to earn, not penalize it. Redistribution isn't the best way to do things.
Nice in theory, but it doesn't work. If it did, we'd be in a much different spot right now, amiright, Ronald Reagan?
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:36 pm

Kath wrote:Nice in theory, but it doesn't work. If it did, we'd be in a much different spot right now, amiright, Ronald Reagan?
Wrong. You act like because Reagan/Bush era trickle down economics don't work to reduce income inequality, that the only solution is redistribution? What makes you think I'm promoting the Reagan era trickle down anyway? Why you going back to putting words in my mouth? What happened to the truce?
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Post by K@th » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:38 pm

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Kath wrote:Nice in theory, but it doesn't work. If it did, we'd be in a much different spot right now, amiright, Ronald Reagan?
Wrong. You act like because trickle down economics don't work to reduce income inequality that the only solution is redistrubution? What makes you think I'm promoting the Reagan era trickle down? Why you going back to strawmen, what happened to the truce?
In the 10 or so years you've known me, when have I ever argued for wealth redistribution? Sometimes it's as if you have no idea where I stand on things. No wonder you argue against positions I don't have.
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Post by C-Mag » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:38 pm

Fife wrote:Single taxing people isn't liberty.
EXACTLY

Double, Triple, Quadruple Taxing is how you get to Liberty
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:41 pm

Kath wrote:
StCapps wrote:
Kath wrote:Nice in theory, but it doesn't work. If it did, we'd be in a much different spot right now, amiright, Ronald Reagan?
Wrong. You act like because trickle down economics don't work to reduce income inequality that the only solution is redistrubution? What makes you think I'm promoting the Reagan era trickle down? Why you going back to strawmen, what happened to the truce?
In the 10 or so years you've known me, when have I ever argued for wealth redistribution? Sometimes it's as if you have no idea where I stand on things. No wonder you argue against positions I don't have.
Do you have a position? I'm not hearing one other than ankle biting the remarks of anyone questioning how optimal taxing the rich is when it comes to uplifting the lower and middle classes, and characterizing their position inaccurately for an easy target to argue against.

If you have a position state it, and quit doing your drtrech impression.
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Post by K@th » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:46 pm

StCapps wrote:Do you have a position? I'm not hearing one other than ankle biting the remarks of anyone questioning how optimal taxing the rich is when it comes to uplifting the lower and middle classes.
I don't claim to have the answers, Capp. I can recognize a problem, though. There's absolutely no way that lowering taxes for the rich while raising taxes on the lower and middle classes makes sense to anyone except the people who will get the tax cuts.
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:48 pm

Kath wrote:
StCapps wrote:Do you have a position? I'm not hearing one other than ankle biting the remarks of anyone questioning how optimal taxing the rich is when it comes to uplifting the lower and middle classes.
I don't claim to have the answers, Capp. I can recognize a problem, though. There's absolutely no way that lowering taxes for the rich while raising taxes on the lower and middle classes makes sense to anyone except the people who will get the tax cuts.
Well yeah obviously taxing the upper class less and lower and middle classes more is terrible solution that will create more inequality, everyone knows that. However there are some taxes that need to be lowered that effect the upper class, and keeping them high is of no help to anyone, the corporate tax rate for example.
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Post by K@th » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:50 pm

StCapps wrote:Well yeah obviously taxing the rich less and lower and middle classes more is terrible solution that will create more inequality, everyone knows that.
Ahem. I'll just leave the OP right here and you'll see what I'm arguing against.
Martin Hash wrote:Trump's tax plan makes no sense at all. Way too much energy for nothing. And the worst: Middle Americans can no longer write off State taxes, and the lowest tax bracket has been RAISED to 12%. The BIG winners: super-wealthy families that no longer have to pay Inheritance taxes. It seems to me this whole fiasco was to get rid of Inheritance taxes. Talk about the power of the aristocracy: the poorest & Middle Class have their taxes INCREASED while the 1% establish dynasties.
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:54 pm

Kath wrote:
StCapps wrote:Well yeah obviously taxing the rich less and lower and middle classes more is terrible solution that will create more inequality, everyone knows that.
Ahem. I'll just leave the OP right here and you'll see what I'm arguing against.
Martin Hash wrote:Trump's tax plan makes no sense at all. Way too much energy for nothing. And the worst: Middle Americans can no longer write off State taxes, and the lowest tax bracket has been RAISED to 12%. The BIG winners: super-wealthy families that no longer have to pay Inheritance taxes. It seems to me this whole fiasco was to get rid of Inheritance taxes. Talk about the power of the aristocracy: the poorest & Middle Class have their taxes INCREASED while the 1% establish dynasties.
Which part of Trump's plan do you have a beef with? I've already pointed out how inheritance taxes are stupid, and it's obvious the corporate tax rate is way too high, what specifically don't you like about the Trump Tax Plan? Raising the lowest tax bracket is obviously dumb, anything else though?
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by K@th » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:13 pm

Taxes rich people less and poor people more, but other than that, it's a pretty good plan.
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