There shall be a movie called Iraqi Sniper...

[Hwen Hoshino]

You do realize you posted 3 times as many posts as i did...? Right?

I'm not trying to incite revolutionary change, I couldn't care less, I just come here to view the American panic monkeys flinging poo at each other, for the yuks, and I post things to stir the pot, to see if I can get them all screeching and flailing about, for more yuks. Basically just slumming, for cheap entertainment.

Also, as I am exponentially more familiar with American history than most of you Americans are, I can provide some perspective from time to time, but since you're so obsessed with screeching and flinging poo at each other over idiotic and fabricated bugaboos, that's mostly a waste of time, I am actually losing interest of late, as it's getting kind of boring around here, same-old same-old and getting more same-old as it goes.

You ran out of arguments. Got it.

[Smitty-48]

You ran out of arguments. Got it.

What argument? You didn't argue anything, you stated revolutionary change as fait accompli, circular logic fallacy, I pointed out that, historically, that's generally a false dawn, end of conservation, no argument having taken place. Clearly you don't even grasp what the word argument means, add that to the list of words which you invoke without even understanding the definition.

You present as an intellectual cripple, I doubt you are even capable of engaging in a good faith argument tbh, you don't seem to even know what an argument consists of, you're all prattle, with no logical basis nor grounding of knowledge behind any of it, I don't see any point in trying to get an argument going with the likes of you, it would be like trying to have an argument with a squirrel, or a turnip.

I'm just ridiculing you, there's no argument going on here, I don't care to argue with you, this is not argument, I'm insulting you, with contempt, sneering contempt actually, to be perfectly accurate.

You know, that's how us Neoconservatives roll, we look down upon you subhuman cockroach Millenial lolbergs, with sneering contempt, and yeah, we're gonna fuck your shit up, but good, I'm just taking the time to let you know, that there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, chump.

Don't fret tho, as even though you are totally impotent to stop us, we'll still let you watch your cartoons and play with your action figures, in fact, that is all we are going to allow you to do, which is why that's all you are in fact doing right now, see how that works?

[Hwen Hoshino]

You ran out of arguments. Got it.

What argument? You didn't argue anything, you stated revolutionary change as fait accompli, circular logic fallacy, I pointed out that, historically, that's generally a false dawn, end of conservation, no argument having taken place. Clearly you don't even grasp what the word argument means, add that to the list of words which you invoke without even understanding the definition.

You present as an intellectual cripple, I doubt you are even capable of engaging in a good faith argument tbh, you don't seem to even know what an argument consists of, you're all prattle, with no logical basis nor grounding of knowledge behind any of it, I don't see any point in trying to get an argument going with the likes of you, it would be like trying to have an argument with a squirrel, or a turnip.

I'm just ridiculing you, there's no argument going on here, I don't care to argue with you, this is not argument, I'm insulting you, with contempt, sneering contempt actually, to be perfectly accurate.

You know, that's how us Neoconservatives roll, we look down upon you subhuman cockroach Millenial lolbergs, with sneering contempt, and yeah, we're gonna fuck your shit up, but good, I'm just taking the time to let you know, that there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, chump.

Don't fret tho, as even though you are totally impotent to stop us, we'll still let you watch your cartoons and play with your action figures, in fact, that is all we are going to allow you to do, which is why that's all you are in fact doing right now, see how that works?

Dude, your coach took you out and your are yelling at me from a bench like a retard.

[Smitty-48]

Dude, your coach took you out and your are yelling at me from a bench like a retard.

Dude, you'd have to be retarded to even think that there is a game, there's no game, we run shit, you don't, it's not a competition, you lolbergs are not even in the room. It's laughable that you think that somehow you can vote us out, I mean, get real, there's no way to vote a revolution against the establishment, if that was the case, we wouldn't be the establishment in the first place, dumb ass.

The funniest part is that you think that Donald Trump is not a Neocon, and somehow the last election was a "rejection of the Neconservative agenda", when America elected a President who is a hybrid of Nixon and Reagan. lolwhut? Damn, you dumb.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Dude, your coach took you out and your are yelling at me from a bench like a retard.

Dude, you'd have to be retarded to even think that there is a game, there's no game, we run shit, you don't, it's not a competition, you lolbergs are not even in the room. It's laughable that you think that somehow you can vote us out, I mean, get real, there's no way to vote a revolution against the establishment, if that was the case, we wouldn't be the establishment in the first place, dumb ass.

There was Nader, there was Ron Paul and there was Trump and Bernie at the same time, the ground is shaking under the big E.

[Smitty-48]

Dude, your coach took you out and your are yelling at me from a bench like a retard.

Dude, you'd have to be retarded to even think that there is a game, there's no game, we run shit, you don't, it's not a competition, you lolbergs are not even in the room. It's laughable that you think that somehow you can vote us out, I mean, get real, there's no way to vote a revolution against the establishment, if that was the case, we wouldn't be the establishment in the first place, dumb ass.

There was Nader, there was Ron Paul and there was Trump and Bernie at the same time, the ground is shaking under the big E.

Yeah, and the GOP won, led by a billionaire business tycoon who promptly went out and staffed half his cabinet with Generals from the Pentagon, it's Ho Chi Minh City here we come now, no doubt.

It's Richard Nixon 2.0 you fuckin dumbass, it's eerie how much it's Nixon, Nixon ran the exact same scam, the "peace candidate" who promptly went out and invaded Cambodia, just like Donald Trump has invaded Syria, or didn't you realize that US forces are deep into Syria now?

The ground is shaking alright, but that's actually US troops exchanging fire with Turkish backed rebels in northen Syria in order to protect America's Kurdish ARVN.

What? As soon as you elected the Republicans they immediately went out and escalated the first war they could find beyond anywhere the pansy waist Democrats were willing to take it, getting you deeper into a quagmire which actually has the Russians of all people in play? Shocking.

Donald Trump, man of the people, who shits on an actual gold toilet, the "non interventionist peace candidate" who is launching cruise missiles at the Russians and shooting down MiGs. I mean, you can't make this shit up.

Shooting down MiGs? Why would he do that? Oh that's right, because they almost bombed his troops, conducting his invasion of Arab Cambodia, oh but hey, the Neocons, they're done, no Necons to see round here, nossiree.

Cambodia, like literally, Syria is the Cambodia of a Iraq Nam, but everything's changing in America, yeppers, if by changing you mean going straight back to 1970 that is.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Dude, you'd have to be retarded to even think that there is a game, there's no game, we run shit, you don't, it's not a competition, you lolbergs are not even in the room. It's laughable that you think that somehow you can vote us out, I mean, get real, there's no way to vote a revolution against the establishment, if that was the case, we wouldn't be the establishment in the first place, dumb ass.

There was Nader, there was Ron Paul and there was Trump and Bernie at the same time, the ground is shaking under the big E.

Yeah, and the GOP won, led by a billionaire business tycoon who promptly went out and staffed half his cabinet with Generals from the Pentagon, it's Ho Chi Minh City here we come now, no doubt.

It's Richard Nixon 2.0 you fuckin dumbass, it's eerie how much it's Nixon, Nixon ran the exact same scam, the "peace candidate" who promptly went out and invaded Cambodia, just like Donald Trump has invaded Syria, or didn't you realize that US forces are deep into Syria now?

The ground is shaking alright, but that's actually US troops exchanging fire with Turkish backed rebels in northen Syria in order to protect America's Kurdish ARVN.

What? As soon as you elected the Republicans they immediately went out and escalated the first war they could find beyond anywhere the pansy waist Democrats were willing to take it, getting you deeper into a quagmire which actually has the Russians of all people in play? Shocking.

Donald Trump, man of the people, who shits on an actual gold toilet, the "non interventionist peace candidate" who is launching cruise missiles at the Russians and shooting down MiGs. I mean, you can't make this shit up.

Shooting down MiGs? Why would he do that? Oh that's right, because they almost bombed his troops, conducting his invasion of Arab Cambodia, oh but hey, the Neocons, they're done, no Necons to see round here, nossiree.

Cambodia, like literally, Syria is the Cambodia of a Iraq Nam, but everything's changing in America, yeppers, if by changing you mean going straight back to 1970 that is.

So when is your side going to sucker people into a draft?

[StCapps]

So when is your side going to sucker people into a draft?

Neocons killed the draft, during the Nixon admin, looks like Smitty is right that you don't actually know what a neocon is, and you are just using it as a blanket pejorative for conservatives that you disagree with.

[Smitty-48]

So when is your side going to sucker people into a draft?

Neocons killed the draft, during the Nixon admin, looks like Smitty is right that you don't actually know what a neocon is, and you are just using it as a blanket pejorative for conservatives that you disagree with.

Indeed, but in addition to the imperative of getting Nixon reelected in 72', Neoconservatives came to believe that part of the problem was in fact that the US military was too bloated, big draft army got its ass kicked in Vietnam, and a big part of the problem was that it was too big, too bloated, and too unwieldy, crashing around in the jungle like Gulliver set upon by a hornet's nest of Lilliputians, so the Neoconservatives are the ones who wanted to cut the size of the military, while enhancing its actual effects on the ground with a leaner, meaner, faster and more agile military, requiring less of a logistics tail, while being exponentially more hi-tech.

The Neoconservatives invented the concept of the "come as you are army", or as Rumsfeld put it "you fight with the army you have, not the army you would wish to have", and that comes from the late Cold War, wherein the Neoconservatives did not believe that there would be time to draft a big army to fight the Soviets, and so essentially whatever you have on first day of war, is what you're going to have, because it's going to be over in a matter of weeks anyways, one way or the other.

Never actually fought the Soviets, but they unleashed their "come as you are" army agaist the Iraqis instead, the Neoconservative war is the Gulf War. Also bear in mind, in 2003, Rumsfeld wanted to double down on that, topple the regime in Baghdad with an even smaller force, so long as you don't plan on nation building, 150,000 troops would be more than enough, and you only leave them there for a few months, before replacing them with an even smaller contingent of special operations forces.

America has finally ended up where Rumsfeld wanted to go, because the Rumsfeld model is what Barack Obama actually embraced. The Pentagon talked George W. Bush into firing Rumsfeld and going a nation building, it wasn't until Obama that the Pentagon was put in their place and told to sit down and shut up, oddly enough, Obama turns out to be a better Neocon than Bush.

Contrary to popular myth, the Neoconservatives do not believe in nation building by force of arms, they assert that it will indeed be chaotic for some time after you topple a regime, as Rumsfeld said "stuff happens", but in the end the locals will sort themselves out, and when they do, they'll end up being an American proxy by default, they'll come back to king dollar, once they realize that there is no other viable option, or as George W. Bush said; "history will vindicate me".

The Neoconservatives believe fervently in the ultimate power of American freedom, you kick in the door and let the light in, and one way or the other, there's no going back, once they get a taste, they'll come around in the end, in the meantime, you just contain them until they sort themselves out.

And, should point out, even in North Vietnam, they all love America now, and in fact, they loved America to start of with, the door was actually kicked in, in 1945, America simply talked itself into fighting a prolonged war against a natural ally, the Vietnam War, that was not the Neoconservatives, that was the New Dealers, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson, as soon as the Neoconservatives took over; peace with China and Vietnam both.

Who wanted 500,000+ troops in Vietnam? The liberals. Who wanted 500,000+ troops in Iraq? The liberals. The Neoconservatives are the ones who say that 500,000+ troops is not necessary, and you can actually do all this sort of thing on the cheap. Lean and mean invasion force to topple the regime, then very quickly wind that down to proxy war with airpower and special operations, if America hadn't panicked because the liberal media was sowing panic, and instead everybody had just stuck to Rumsfeld's plan, they would have got to where they are now much sooner, with vastly fewer casualties.

2004-2008 was totally unecessary, liberal media panic and Pentagon big army entrenched interest led America down the garden path, could have just cut straight to the Rumsfeld/Obama plan, right away, back in 2004, and the whole quagmire could have been avoided.

1965-1969, also totally unecessary, could have just cut straight to the Kissinger/Nixon plan, right away, back in 1964.

[ssu]

Oh notice the fuckin' actors they pick to be the dreary ponderous "wanh-wanh-wanh no WMD" anti heroes? Matt Damon? Leonardo DiCaprio? Bradley Cooper? Marky Mark?

They make me wanna fuckin' puke, I just want scarfaced Tom Berenger to come on screen and chop their Beta heads off with a machete.

Tom Berenger plays a similar fabricated bad-ass warrior as some John Rambo or all the "wanh-wanh-wanh no WMD" anti heroes. At least the film American Sniper was based one storytelling and bragging guy, yet the guy was real. Still films that have some connection to reality are interesting because reality is often more incredible than some screenwriter can come up with. And so if the characters do have something in common with actual people, not just an imagined stereotype of some kind.

Then there's those that actually have been there. Best example I can think is Audie Murphy. A real world killing machine, but as they come in reality those guys who perform outstanding things in the battlefield are small targets. And fitting to the Hollywood, then writes memoirs which then are made to a Hollywood movie where he plays himself and does get a modest Hollywood actor career afterwards.

Audie Murphy on set with his son.


On scene where Murphy is reliving one of his fights:


Actually Audie Murphy isn't the only war veteran playing themselves and portraying their own combat experiences in the Silver screen. In "Blackhawk Down", which is one of my favorite warfilms also, one of helicopter pilots flying a Defender (or Little Bird) and using an MP-5 from the cockpit and then flying off, was actually the same helicopter pilot that did exactly what he had done in the brief combat in Mogadishu. For some reason I like the notion of these anonymous vets then reliving their combat experience in the Silver screen yet not being known.

(Some of the 160th SOAR pilots in the film had been in the Mogadishu fight)


And let's not forget one of the ass-chewing soldiers turned actors: Lee Ermey and Dale Dye.

Yet the American moviegoer didn't want to see a short guy like Audie Murphy, it's better a tall guy like John Wayne. And likely John Wayne was a better actor, but yet there's something when the actors have seen war themselves. Just like Stallone, who seems just not have gotten the ticket for the draft. And now you have the "wanh-wanh" actors portraying the guys.