Is anyone sick of all the winning?

[clubgop]

LMFAOGJOISDGKJWENGNNGHAHAHAHHAHAA "Military Bases that benefit everybody"

hoooo baby, you are rollin' now. Keep on truckin', Red Ryder.

Well it sure is shit isn't the "federal welfare" you make it out to be, genius.

No, dude, you're right. We'll toss a couple billion out to the countryside in military funding and Big Ag subsidies, but you guys are TOTALLY making it on your own. You'd be just fine without all that stuff, so we'll just quit wasting the money.

Big Ag subsidies don't help those areas they help the cities and big agro business and you know it.

[clubgop]

I'd be quite happy with more success for moderate conservatives, or moderate anything. You can't take 3+ extreme positions on much of anything, so I would expect to see the Middle being reached much more often - as it is in Canada.

Moderate conservatives are in the minority, it's the non-moderates who run the Conservative Party since the NDP started picking up steam. So again, be careful what you wish for.

Anything's better than insaniacs railing about The End Of America every 2 years, while America is actually ending for completely unrelated reasons.

I hate the extremes of both parties cause they say the sky is falling. I want moderation.

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The sky is falling for these reasons! The sky is falling! Moderately of course!

Forget about StA, if you are fucking smart why do you lose so goddamned always?

[Montegriffo]

Source?

I just made it up.

Seriously, I'd like info on this. It sounds like an awesome thing that I want to try.

You need to learn about fertilizers and crop rotation then. There are better sources for that than native Americans.

[clubgop]

Mass starvation would probably be the best thing that could ever happen to the current US

That's my point, though. I don't think we'd even see it unless the entire world collapsed and something kept people from farming over the course of 1-2 years.

I used to think the progressives would last maybe a month before dying off, but it's just not true. The average American can go a really long time without food. Think about how many people are technically in the obese category. Those guys could last a year without food and be working just fine. The fat people could easily walk far away from the cities without food. The only thing that limits them is water. That's your only danger. You'd have to figure out how to close the borders of your smaller towns and communities from these people, because they will travel like locusts across the countryside.

People will naturally organize into communities and start utilizing land to grow food too. My mother and step-father have a small hobby farm in Florida now. My step-dad regularly takes the seeds from fruit he buys at the store and plants them to grow stuff like papaya. Not every produce you see at the grocery store comes from Monsanto GMO seeds.

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

It's only in the cities that I think shit would become a problem because nobody outside the cities will want those people (or allow them into their communities), and there are too many degenerates and violent criminals inside the city to make it work.

That's fucking genius. I'm doing it next year in my garden.

And bunch of people with guns will just come and take it when it matters because you are too pussy to defend it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

That's my point, though. I don't think we'd even see it unless the entire world collapsed and something kept people from farming over the course of 1-2 years.

I used to think the progressives would last maybe a month before dying off, but it's just not true. The average American can go a really long time without food. Think about how many people are technically in the obese category. Those guys could last a year without food and be working just fine. The fat people could easily walk far away from the cities without food. The only thing that limits them is water. That's your only danger. You'd have to figure out how to close the borders of your smaller towns and communities from these people, because they will travel like locusts across the countryside.

People will naturally organize into communities and start utilizing land to grow food too. My mother and step-father have a small hobby farm in Florida now. My step-dad regularly takes the seeds from fruit he buys at the store and plants them to grow stuff like papaya. Not every produce you see at the grocery store comes from Monsanto GMO seeds.

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

It's only in the cities that I think shit would become a problem because nobody outside the cities will want those people (or allow them into their communities), and there are too many degenerates and violent criminals inside the city to make it work.

That's fucking genius. I'm doing it next year in my garden.

And bunch of people with guns will just come and take it when it matters because you are too pussy to defend it.

Oh please do try. I'll send you my address before the internet goes down.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I just made it up.

Seriously, I'd like info on this. It sounds like an awesome thing that I want to try.

You need to learn about fertilizers and crop rotation then. There are better sources for that than native Americans.

I do rotation, and avoid fertilizers except for the rare application of milorganite. I really need to find out more about testing the soil.

[Speaker to Animals]

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

Yeah... not quite. The Iroquois burned out their soil doing this and would move on to slash and burn forests and start over again on the newly enriched soil--also their diet incorporated many hunted and gathered foodstuffs, fish, game, each other....

I wasn't talking about sustaining a civilization for centuries without depleting the soil. I was talking about emergency measures to produce food.

[Montegriffo]

Make your own organic fertilizers.

https://www.homegrownfun.com/natural-fe ... und-house/

Or build a composting toilet in the garden and use that.
Waste not want not...

[Speaker to Animals]

As far as the three sisters not being sustainable.. uh.. yeah.. it is. Mayans are still doing it today.

They only plant on a field for two to three seasons and then leave it fallow to restore the soil. Further, the combination of plants helps to retard the depletion of the soil.

The three crops benefit from each other. The maize provides a structure for the beans to climb, eliminating the need for poles. The beans provide the nitrogen to the soil that the other plants use, and the squash spreads along the ground, blocking the sunlight, helping prevent the establishment of weeds. The squash leaves also act as a "living mulch", creating a microclimate to retain moisture in the soil, and the prickly hairs of the vine deter pests. Corn, beans, and squash contain complex carbohydrates, essential fatty acids and all eight essential amino acids, allowing most Native American tribes to thrive on a plant-based diet.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sis ... riculture)

If I am not mistaken, they also buried fish beneath the maize seeds to act as fertilizer.


The thing that got them in the classical collapse was population growth coupled with slash and burn tactics to create new fields, followed by a drought.



Not that any of that has anything to do with the point that it's entirely possible for Americans to easily deal with food disruptions. It isn't about who's agricultural technology is superior. Obviously we have superior agriculture, but it's not as effective on a very small scale as you would need in the few years following a collapse before order is restored.

[clubgop]

That's fucking genius. I'm doing it next year in my garden.

And bunch of people with guns will just come and take it when it matters because you are too pussy to defend it.

Oh please do try. I'll send you my address before the internet goes down.

Wont need it. Just look for the person whining about the lost of government. You can't survive without PBS, if the whole thing goes down your fractious mental state won't last long.