Why Family Values Are Economic Values

[doc_loliday]

The sarcastic calls to blasting country music and family values are probably not too far off the mark actually. When the cultural message is "the system is rigged, everything is hopeless" why would anyone in a shitty situation ever consider trying? GCF didn't you yourself bootstrap yourself when things weren't all that great? There are going to be a few people that overcome the odds without any help, but what if we actually encouraged people to try to overcome their plight? The truth is that it isn't hopeless. Basically any poor person can go college for free, no matter what age, and if they aren't destitute they can take out loans, such that their tuition and rent is paid for. A person can learn trades at community colleges, again all free if they are poor. Why shouldn't we be pointing out all the ways that people can succeed? And why shouldn't we tell people about the stability and success that comes intact families? Isn't telling people that they can overcome the odds if they try a plan that can reach millions?

[SuburbanFarmer]

The sarcastic calls to blasting country music and family values are probably not too far off the mark actually. When the cultural message is "the system is rigged, everything is hopeless" why would anyone in a shitty situation ever consider trying? GCF didn't you yourself bootstrap yourself when things weren't all that great? There are going to be a few people that overcome the odds without any help, but what if we actually encouraged people to try to overcome their plight? The truth is that it isn't hopeless. Basically any poor person can go college for free, no matter what age, and if they aren't destitute they can take out loans, such that their tuition and rent is paid for. A person can learn trades at community colleges, again all free if they are poor. Why shouldn't we be pointing out all the ways that people can succeed? And why shouldn't we tell people about the stability and success that comes intact families? Isn't telling people that they can overcome the odds if they try a plan that can reach millions?

I did bootstrap myself, but I can't deny the many advantages that I had. Namely, a solid upbringing, no kids (at the time), no major debts, no huge bills, no medical issues, and a government that (for whatever reason) saw fit to subsidize a mass of school loans for me.

Most people don't get that second chance in their 30s - they've got kids, houses, families, parents need help, whatever. I'm an exception because I didn't have those other obligations. It would have been damned near impossible, if I had a typical trailer-park background.

[doc_loliday]

So, shouldn't we be encouraging those "advantages" you had? Shouldn't we encourage putting off having children and raising them in a stable environment?

Also, even if you have children or have made other "mistakes" in your life, it doesn't mean that it is not possible to turn everything around. It will just require hard work and sacrifice. Indeed it is sad to recognize that some people will have to face permanent consequences for their actions, because there are some people that have made so many poor choices they will never be able to get their lives back on track. But that doesn't mean we give up on the millions of people who aren't beyond redemption.

We offer free college, free trade training at community college, of which I am in favor of, most universities have child care, there are loans whose interest is subsidized by the tax payer, etc. There are ways out of the poverty and these routes actually break the cycle too, unlike keeping people desperately attached to welfare.

[TheReal_ND]

[SuburbanFarmer]

So, shouldn't we be encouraging those "advantages" you had? Shouldn't we encourage putting off having children and raising them in a stable environment?

Also, even if you have children or have made other "mistakes" in your life, it doesn't mean that it is not possible to turn everything around. It will just require hard work and sacrifice. Indeed it is sad to recognize that some people will have to face permanent consequences for their actions, because there are some people that have made so many poor choices they will never be able to get their lives back on track. But that doesn't mean we give up on the millions of people who aren't beyond redemption.

We offer free college, free trade training at community college, of which I am in favor of, most universities have child care, there are loans whose interest is subsidized by the tax payer, etc. There are ways out of the poverty and these routes actually break the cycle too, unlike keeping people desperately attached to welfare.

Agree with all of this.

I just disagree that cutting off welfare is the way to accomplish it. I have no idea how to promote these things on a national level.

[heydaralon]

So, shouldn't we be encouraging those "advantages" you had? Shouldn't we encourage putting off having children and raising them in a stable environment?

Also, even if you have children or have made other "mistakes" in your life, it doesn't mean that it is not possible to turn everything around. It will just require hard work and sacrifice. Indeed it is sad to recognize that some people will have to face permanent consequences for their actions, because there are some people that have made so many poor choices they will never be able to get their lives back on track. But that doesn't mean we give up on the millions of people who aren't beyond redemption.

We offer free college, free trade training at community college, of which I am in favor of, most universities have child care, there are loans whose interest is subsidized by the tax payer, etc. There are ways out of the poverty and these routes actually break the cycle too, unlike keeping people desperately attached to welfare.

If you really want to help these trailer park types, your best bet is Multi-level Marketing. It is not a pyramid scheme. Amway offers a way to achieve financial independence and become the person you always dreamed of being! This is not a scam. I want to see you succeed, that's why you need to sign up today! These products practically sell themselves. Your garage is looking pretty empty dude. What if I told you that by next week you could fill it with Amway products that will collect dust and set you up to be the king of the Amway ring? You could become John Cena overnight with this stuff.

[Okeefenokee]

I love how the most ignorant poster here, who shoots his mouth off about shit he knows fuck all about on a daily basis, thinks he can talk about dumb hayseeds without anyone immediately thinking he needs to look in a mirror.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I love how the most ignorant poster here, who shoots his mouth off about shit he knows fuck all about on a daily basis, thinks he can talk about dumb hayseeds without anyone immediately thinking he needs to look in a mirror.

[apeman]

Think of it this way, think of their mental constructs as cars. The same person in a Yugo is not going to do as well as the same person in a Ferrari. Their machinery, from the get go, is just shit, and it takes something to break that cycle to get them out of it.

It's even worse than that.

Approximately 15% of the population has so low an IQ that they really aren't suitable for any job (military won't take em either), according to Jordan Peterson and the studies he relies on.

We've set up a society where 15% of the population is automatically on the outside.

We don't talk about this, I had never thought of it it such stark terms before.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Think of it this way, think of their mental constructs as cars. The same person in a Yugo is not going to do as well as the same person in a Ferrari. Their machinery, from the get go, is just shit, and it takes something to break that cycle to get them out of it.

It's even worse than that.

Approximately 15% of the population has so low an IQ that they really aren't suitable for any job (military won't take em either), according to Jordan Peterson and the studies he relies on.

We've set up a society where 15% of the population is automatically on the outside.

We don't talk about this, I had never thought of it it such stark terms before.

Now, do you believe that's a result of genetic predisposition, or mental training?