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[heydaralon]

The main difference between American gun nuts and Canadian gun nuts is that most Canadian gun nuts support "privilege not a right", they want less draconian gun control, more sensible gun control, but the overwhelming majority support gun control none the less.

The main issue in Canada is that the urban liberal establishment is out to achieve de facto prohibition by overregulation, just make it such a burden to own a gun that it deters people from even bothering, the Canadian gun nuts fight the good fight against this repressive regime, but they're not seeking a First Amendment paradigm, which, I know, Americans will say "without the First Amendment this is what will happen", but the culture here is the culture here, and the culture here, is not actually republican, and certainly not revolutionary republican, quite the opposite.

Even if Canadians don't conciously think about it, Canadian culture is Loyalist, and specifically Victorian Loyalist, right down in the bones.

Damn. I can't really imagine a person with your temperament wanting to live in a nanny state. There is quite a bit of that kind of thinking in the US as well, whether its the FDA wanting to ban E-cigarettes or what have you. Do you think the US legal system with its emphasis on the Bill of Rights is a better safeguard for individual liberty than the Canadian one?

[Smitty-48]

We like to help out our neighbors when it comes to guns. I know the cartels in Mexico get a lot of their firepower from the United States, so I guess North and South guns flow from the US.

Well, I don't see America as actively trying to push guns into Canada, the criminals who smuggle guns into Canada are pullling them, there's just ton of guns in the US to access, and compared to other illicit sources, they are cheap, about 70% of illegal guns in Canada flow from the US.

[Smitty-48]

Damn. I can't really imagine a person with your temperament wanting to live in a nanny state. There is quite a bit of that kind of thinking in the US as well, whether its the FDA wanting to ban E-cigarettes or what have you. Do you think the US legal system with its emphasis on the Bill of Rights is a better safeguard for individual liberty than the Canadian one?

The Canadian system is essentially the same, the Charter of Rights is based on the American Bill of Rights, but here's the thing, we've only had ours since 1982, so it's not deeply ingrained in the culture from way back, but Canadians are becoming more American about their rights all the time, thing is, we're only just entering the second generation which has lived in this paradigm, there's only ever been one generation of Canadians so far, who have been raised with a bill of rights.

[heydaralon]

Damn. I can't really imagine a person with your temperament wanting to live in a nanny state. There is quite a bit of that kind of thinking in the US as well, whether its the FDA wanting to ban E-cigarettes or what have you. Do you think the US legal system with its emphasis on the Bill of Rights is a better safeguard for individual liberty than the Canadian one?

The Canadian system is essentially the same, the Charter of Rights is based on the American Bill of Rights, but here's the thing, we've only had ours since 1982, so it's not deeply ingrained in the culture from way back, but Canadians are becoming more American about their rights all the time, thing is, we're only just entering the second generation which has lived in this paradigm, there's only ever been one generation of Canadians so far, who have been raised with a bill of rights.

That's pretty cool. I'm gonna do some research on that. What system was in place before?

[Smitty-48]

Bear in mind, the Charter has been overthrowing archaic Canadian authoritarian law as it goes, but it takes a long time to work its way through the courts, it's only been 34 years; how long did it take America to get rid of Jim Crow?

[Smitty-48]

What system was in place before?

British North America Act with no specific bill of rights enshrined, essentially the same "constitution" as in the United Kingdom.

In 1982, the British North America Act was "repatriated", at the same time; Charter of Rights and Freedoms enshrined within, in essence, constitionally, we "Americanized".

Didn't change the culture overnight though; work in progress.

[Smitty-48]

Also bear in mind, Canadians are reactionary to what they percieve as the excesses of American "liberty", they see; 500 gun homicides in Chicago, they see; "God Hates Fags!", they see; Burning Crosses, they see; Citizens United, this sort of thing tends to send them scurrying back to Nanny's petticoats.

Nanny; is Queen Victoria, Mother Canada, Canadians are Victorians at heart, without even thinking about it, and Victorians, were no libetarians to be sure, when Canadians get spooked, they recoil back towards 1867; "That's bloody uncivilized, wot? Call out the guard, pull up the drawbridge, send in the Mounties!"

[Ph64]

The main difference between American gun nuts and Canadian gun nuts is that most Canadian gun nuts support "privilege not a right", they want less draconian gun control, more sensible gun control, but the overwhelming majority support gun control none the less.

The main issue in Canada is that the urban liberal establishment is out to achieve de facto prohibition by overregulation, just make it such a burden to own a gun that it deters people from even bothering, the Canadian gun nuts fight the good fight against this repressive regime, but they're not seeking a First Amendment paradigm, which, I know, Americans will say "without the First Amendment this is what will happen", but the culture here is the culture here, and the culture here, is not actually republican, and certainly not revolutionary republican, quite the opposite.

Even if Canadians don't conciously think about it, Canadian culture is Loyalist, and specifically Victorian Loyalist, right down in the bones.

I suspect you mean Second Amendment, not First?

[jbird4049]

Also bear in mind, Canadians are reactionary to what they percieve as the excesses of American "liberty", they see; 500 gun homicides in Chicago, they see; "God Hates Fags!", they see; Burning Crosses, they see; Citizens United, this sort of thing tends to send them scurrying back to Nanny's petticoats.

I completely get that. The United States seems to become more crazy every year.

This is really getting tangential, I know. How many Canadians realize how different we Americans are from each other?

I think however people just don't realize how complex and large we are. Even in California, SoCal, NorCal, the coast, the foothills are seem to different states. We are over 300 million people with States that have very different cultures.

In fairness, many Americans don't seem to truly understand that.

[Smitty-48]

I suspect you mean Second Amendment, not First?

Yeah, sorry, Second Amendment, mind you, Canadians are much more authoritarian when it comes to speech as well, so it's both, I don't know many Canadians, who would actually support the American First Amendment paradigm neither, again, "God Hates Fags!", Citizens United, etc..