Trump takes the fight to ISIS

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by The Conservative » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:09 am

C-Mag wrote:Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama

Nine months after President Trump promised to defeat ISIS "quickly and effectively," U.S.-backed forces captured Raqqa, which until Tuesday had served as the ISIS capital. Trump, not surprisingly, claims it for himself: "It had to do with the people I put in and it had to do with rules of engagement," Trump said in a radio interview.
A former senior military commander in the region told the Washington Examiner that the Obama White House was micromanaging the war "to the degree that it was just as bad, if not worse, than during the Johnson administration." Johnson, you will recall, once bragged that "they can't bomb an outhouse in Vietnam without my permission."...........

Trump made several changes in the way the war was fought, the most important of which were to loosen the rules of engagement and give more decision-making authority to battlefield commanders..............

bottom line is that while Obama preached patience, Trump promised a swift end to ISIS, and then delivered on it.
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Obama thought he could do everything and tried to act like he could, and we saw the difference already, Trump knows he can't and puts people in place to compensate for his failings.

If anything Obama and Hitler have one thing in common... they micromanaged instead of allowing the military to do what they needed to do to win.
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:05 am

I think there were 2 big changes here. The Rules of Engagement were changed to allow field commanders to act freely and make decisions on attacking objectives on their own with the only restriction is they had to stay within international law. As opposed to the LBJ micromanagement style of Obama. Second, I think the Trumpster dried up all of ISIS funds and attacking their money.
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by The Conservative » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:41 am

C-Mag wrote:I think there were 2 big changes here. The Rules of Engagement were changed to allow field commanders to act freely and make decisions on attacking objectives on their own with the only restriction is they had to stay within international law. As opposed to the LBJ micromanagement style of Obama. Second, I think the Trumpster dried up all of ISIS funds and attacking their money.
Actually, Trump brought back the Rules of Engagement back to where it should be, to the people on the ground. Trump also worked on drying up funds, but also the international community did as well... we don't hear much of it, but Qatar got pounded for doing some stuff and because of that is paying the price.
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:35 am

HOLD ON! Looks like we are wrong. The Vintage Media has convened there conference calls and talking points and come up with an explanation.

Bergen: No, Trump Didn't defeat ISIS http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/opinions/ ... index.html
'Trump used Obama's plan to defeat ISIS in Raqqa' https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... qa/1170501
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by C-Mag » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:01 pm

Marine artillery barrage of Raqqa was so intense two howitzers burned out
“Every minute of every hour we were putting some kind of fire on ISIS in Raqqa, whether it was mortars, artillery, rockets, [High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems], Hellfires, armed drones, you name it,” ~ Army Sergeant Major John Wayne Troxell
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/flashp ... urned-out/
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by The Conservative » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:22 pm

C-Mag wrote:HOLD ON! Looks like we are wrong. The Vintage Media has convened there conference calls and talking points and come up with an explanation.

Bergen: No, Trump Didn't defeat ISIS http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/opinions/ ... index.html
'Trump used Obama's plan to defeat ISIS in Raqqa' https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... qa/1170501
Remind me again, if Obama was sitting on this plan why didn't he use it? Or was it because he expected Hillary to take the WH and then Obama and Hillary would be in a circle jerk congratulating each other for the good job both of them did in defeating ISIS?

Also, I don't take that story to be true at all, the Obama Administration said ISIL not ISIS.
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by The Conservative » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:23 pm

C-Mag wrote:Marine artillery barrage of Raqqa was so intense two howitzers burned out
“Every minute of every hour we were putting some kind of fire on ISIS in Raqqa, whether it was mortars, artillery, rockets, [High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems], Hellfires, armed drones, you name it,” ~ Army Sergeant Major John Wayne Troxell
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/flashp ... urned-out/
I'd almost follow that guy into hell ;)
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:19 pm

C-Mag wrote:HOLD ON! Looks like we are wrong. The Vintage Media has convened there conference calls and talking points and come up with an explanation.

Bergen: No, Trump Didn't defeat ISIS http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/opinions/ ... index.html
'Trump used Obama's plan to defeat ISIS in Raqqa' https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... qa/1170501
Oh, it was Obama all along. Damn, he’s done more after his presidency than during the whole time he served.
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by C-Mag » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:44 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
C-Mag wrote:HOLD ON! Looks like we are wrong. The Vintage Media has convened there conference calls and talking points and come up with an explanation.

Bergen: No, Trump Didn't defeat ISIS http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/opinions/ ... index.html
'Trump used Obama's plan to defeat ISIS in Raqqa' https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... qa/1170501
Oh, it was Obama all along. Damn, he’s done more after his presidency than during the whole time he served.

The lack of coverage on the fight against ISIS is stupid.............. but I guess expected.
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by The Conservative » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:39 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:
C-Mag wrote:HOLD ON! Looks like we are wrong. The Vintage Media has convened there conference calls and talking points and come up with an explanation.

Bergen: No, Trump Didn't defeat ISIS http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/opinions/ ... index.html
'Trump used Obama's plan to defeat ISIS in Raqqa' https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... qa/1170501
Oh, it was Obama all along. Damn, he’s done more after his presidency than during the whole time he served.

The lack of coverage on the fight against ISIS is stupid.............. but I guess expected.
It’s expected because Trump is doing it without their blessing.
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