Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by Ex-California » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:36 pm

Very interesting, and I think that's a good tack to take
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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by Atherzon » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:42 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:HAPPY HUNDREDTH BIRTHDAY FINLAND

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This might have convinced me to emigrate to Finnland if I did not have familial responsibilities.
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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by C-Mag » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:57 pm

AndrewBennett wrote:Very interesting, and I think that's a good tack to take
I think so too. I don't believe Westerners have a problem with Islam, they have a problem with Muslims using Islam as a political tool.

If this was to take root in Western nations, which it likely won't, it might lead toward a Muslim reformation.
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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by ssu » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:18 am

Interesting to note just how Europe is pivoting to the right... or what was an "European" right is going to the stance of the "American" right.

- People have noticed the pivoting of Angela Merkel, who, should be noted, is a conservative, not a socialdemocrat or other leftist.

Notice also what is happening in France.

The center right candidate is Francois Fillon and his views:
Unlike the French far right, he wishes to maintain his country’s membership in the European Union. But, indulging Europe’s populist wave, he has promised to curtail immigration sharply, promote conservative social values, impose “strict administrative control” over Islam and bring security against terrorism.
See French Election Hints at a European Shift Toward Russia

Fillon also wants to lift the sanctions on Putin.
Mr. Fillon has called for lifting sanctions on Russia and for partnering with Moscow in an effort to curtail immigration and terrorism.
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Seems like Putin is on the roll.

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Atherzon wrote:This might have convinced me to emigrate to Finnland if I did not have familial responsibilities.
Oh we have good schools. But otherwise, it's correctly what we are there in those pictures.

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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:21 am

To you she may seem rightwing, but European politics went off the carts leftwing after the war. In the historical sense, she rests solidly on the left.

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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:48 am

C-Mag wrote:
While Islam is a diverse religion,
I think this cuts straight to the point. From Sufi to Wahhabi it is a religion of extremes, much like many religions, and it is a shame to tar every one with the same brush.
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Post by ssu » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:09 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:To you she may seem rightwing, but European politics went off the carts leftwing after the war. In the historical sense, she rests solidly on the left.
Not just me.

Historically she's in the right. From the viewpoint of European politics.

European politics has been universally far more on the left than US politics. Hence people that here view themselves and are viewed By others as right-wing, would basically be centrist democrats in the US. Or in the eyes of the Republicans, pinko-liberal leftists.

The kind of leftists we have Americans couldn't even imagine.

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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by C-Mag » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:16 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
C-Mag wrote:
While Islam is a diverse religion,
I think this cuts straight to the point. From Sufi to Wahhabi it is a religion of extremes, much like many religions, and it is a shame to tar every one with the same brush.
The Slovakian Law is very logical. Islam, is a political system. If more countries had laws like that I wonder if it would force some sort of reformation in Islam for those people that didn't want politics mixed up with their worship of Allah.
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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:18 pm

All religions are political systems. Religion is what we used to control the masses before politicians turned up.
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Re: Europe Boring Until it's Not

Post by C-Mag » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:21 pm

Montegriffo wrote:All religions are political systems. Religion is what we used to control the masses before politicians turned up.
I'm not sure I would agree with that. What do you think of the Slovak Law ?
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