Identity politics doesn't run the party, the corporate D's just mouth the slogans, to avoid the lynch mob, identity politics doesn't win the elections, the moderates do. |clubgop wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:22 pmThis is where you are off. You put neolibs and SJWs at odds when in fact they are very comfortable with each other. In fact when the far left get out over their skis the corporate Ds relish using identity politics to check them. They try to out woke each other. That is not changing in fact that is inherent in the Biden narrative. The woke love a good redemption arch. Build him up, tear him down, rather, rinse, repeat. You talk about 2018 primaries, I think of Kansas 02 you had a Native American lesbian mma fighter vs a white Male college professor, the lesbian was the more moderate of the 2 and she won the primary. That whole party ran on identity politics.StCapps wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:53 pmThen why did the neoliberals clean up against the far-left in the 2018 mid-term primaries if the party wants to swing super far left? Nah, the SJW faction has grown in recent years sure, but they are nowhere near the largest faction in the democrat party, and that lane is crowded with traffic. The far left has only done well in far left leaning house districts, they have no real electoral victories aside from them, that shit doesn't win elections, even in the Democratic party. All the Democrats who won Senate seats didn't go far left, no they moved to the center.DBTrek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:50 pmYeah, I think Dems are closer to falling over the SJW ledge than StCapps realizes . . . but the old battle axes are too entrenched to be uprooted at this point. If Beto had been facing the same criticisms he'd be on his third or fourth Spanish speaking apology tour by now.
AOC is an outlier folks, the party doesn't want to head in AOC's direction, bad politicians just think they do.
You said it yourself the intersectional candidate in Kansas was actually more moderate, more establishment, and that's why she won. Can't win in Kansas on far-left identity politics, be real. The intersectional candidates who are successful in swing districts or red states don't win those seats by going more far left than their opponent, they win by out running their opponents to center, even in Dem Primaries, where the SJWs are at their strongest.
If that doesn't show how you are obviously over-estimating the intersectional coalition, I don't know what will. Y'all can front like the game has changed finally in 2020, but there is no historical evidence that running as far-left as possible is the path to victory here, all the evidence thus far points in the other direction, with a few outliers that are rather obvious outliers. The party might still go McGovern, it's not unprecedented, but they usually don't.
Not buying that politics has changed, the result of the Dem primary in 2020, will either be 1968/1984/2004, or 1972, all over again. Re-runs incoming y'all, brace yourselves. Either a Humphrey/Mondale/Kerry type takes it or a McGovern type takes it, the anti-establishment isn't taking over, either way.
1968 Forever, y'all still trapped in the Vietnam loop, it has not been broken, no matter how hard that you wish it was. There has been no re-alignment.
