Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

[Zero]

If Mueller finds nothing other than money laundering type stuff, then whatever. Manafort and some flunkies go down, and Teflon Don skates if nothing gets tied to him.

I can accept that and move on if the evidence isn’t there.

But, what if there is proof that the campaign knowingly cooperated, or was compromised by the Russians in some way?
Would you stand by the evidence and call for resignation if Mueller presents his case diligently? Or does Don skate because...>insert conspiracy<, no matter what?


Caveat: apologies if this has been discussed, I can’t be bothered to read 89 pages of material on the board.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You already know the answer. Trumpians gotta Trump.

[C-Mag]

I am 100% good with Trump being investigated for influencing the election with Russia. But I am not for just investigating Trump involvement. This dossier stuff stinks. We have the DOJ and FBI withholding docs from Congress................ WHY. They've been subpoenaed.

Did the FBI pay for the Dossier of a US presidential candidate?
Did the DOJ authorize a FISA warrant on a US Presidential candidate based on the FBI paying foreign agents for bullshit evidence ?
Did the DNC and Clinton campaign illegally use Russian agents to damage the Trump campaign?

[Zero]

Seems reasonable to me. It’s be really cool if there was more in the news about how things were being secured, so as to reduce potential meddling moving forward.

People have to have faith in the elections.

[C-Mag]

To me, it seems like the institutions have been putting their thumb on the scale against Trump the entire time and going out of their way to protect Clinton.

Judicial Watch has just released 29 pages of FBI docs related to the infamous Bill Clinton - Loretta Lynch secret Tarmac Meeting. The FBI didn't have any concerns over possible influence in the election or influence related to Hillary being under investigation, they just were interested in hiding the meeting from the public.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-roo ... epartment/

[clubgop]

You already know the answer. Trumpians gotta Trump.

And hack bitches gotta hack bitch.

[Okeefenokee]

Dilbert dude says russiagate lefties are mentally ill.

and they are.

Hillary lying about sniper fire in Bosnia was a Russian plot to steal the election 20 years later. morons.

[kybkh]

If Mueller finds nothing other than money laundering type stuff, then whatever. Manafort and some flunkies go down, and Teflon Don skates if nothing gets tied to him.

I can accept that and move on if the evidence isn’t there.

But, what if there is proof that the campaign knowingly cooperated, or was compromised by the Russians in some way?
Would you stand by the evidence and call for resignation if Mueller presents his case diligently? Or does Don skate because...>insert conspiracy<, no matter what?

Caveat: apologies if this has been discussed, I can’t be bothered to read 89 pages of material on the board.

When you say "the campaign" what/who are you referring to? When you say "cooperated or was compromised" in what way?

As long as there is no law broke what are we actually talking about?

Right now, every Russian is part of the Kremlin and therefore anyone who associated with a Russian is a Pink-o by default and "cooperated" with a foreign government to tilt the election.

On the other hand you have the Clinton campaign who worked with a "former" British intelligence agent who has worked with the FBI in the past as the main cog holding together this whole narrative.

Listen to the CNN folks and they will even say it, "well technically this might not be against the law but is this the type of politics we want to promote" or my favorite "this is not just coordination with a foreign government, but an adversarial government".

You come to me with a code violation and we can talk. Otherwise this is simply a discussion about "What Happened".

Every nation on the globe has a stake in the US elections and the leaders of those nations are obliged to act in a way to promote their own national self interest in anyway possible be that contributing to a bogus fund or leaking damning information, just like Obama did in England for the Brexit vote and in France for their presidential elections.

[ssu]

my favorite "this is not just coordination with a foreign government, but an adversarial government".

Well,

Russia and the US are adversaries. Just like you are with Iran or Venezuela.

Above all, the US is the primary threat to Russia. That ought to tell the reality to you.

[Smitty-48]

my favorite "this is not just coordination with a foreign government, but an adversarial government".

Well,

Russia and the US are adversaries. Just like you are with Iran or Venezuela.

Above all, the US is the primary threat to Russia.

Nah, it's China, the Russians don't really believe that the Americans would risk a war with them, that's why they're so cocky, the Chinese on the other hand, they're the craziest of them all, who are far more aggressive than the Americans, and much more of a clear and present threat to the Russians.

The bulk of the Russian military is not actually positioned to defend against an attack from the Americans in Europe, the Russians are weighted towards the East, against the Chinese.

The reason why the Americans are getting flak from the Russians, is because the Russians do not believe that the Americans are willing to fight, whereas the Chinese drink their own bath water and as a result would in fact be crazy enough to take it there, hence why the Russians don't even look at them funny, never mind calling them out with overt aggression.

The Americans are the rational superpower, who will back down to avoid WWIII, the Chinese are the deluded nutjobs who think that they could win, which makes them the most dangerous by far.