Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by pineapplemike » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:53 pm

Flashback to March 2017
‘I Can Deny It’: Former Director of National Intelligence Says No FISA Wiretap Court Order Against Trump Campaign
https://www.mediaite.com/online/i-can-d ... nst-trump/
In the wake of the firestorm created by President Donald Trump taking to Twitter to accuse his predecessor of wiretapping his phones at Trump Tower prior to the election, the former Director of National Intelligence appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press to swat back the explosive allegations. Host Chuck Todd asked ex-DNI James Clapper — who served in that position from 2012 until early this year — if he would have been aware of former President Barack Obama ordering an illegal wiretap of Trump.



CHUCK TODD:

Let me start with the President's tweets yesterday, this idea that maybe President Obama ordered an illegal wiretap of his offices. If something like that happened, would this be something you would be aware of?

JAMES CLAPPER:

I would certainly hope so. I can't say-- obviously, I'm not, I can't speak officially anymore. But I will say that, for the part of the national security apparatus that I oversaw as DNI, there was no such wiretap activity mounted against-- the president elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign. I can't speak for other Title Three authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity.

CHUCK TODD:

Yeah, I was just going to say, if the F.B.I., for instance, had a FISA court order of some sort for a surveillance, would that be information you would know or not know?

JAMES CLAPPER:

Yes.

CHUCK TODD:

You would be told this?

JAMES CLAPPER:

I would know that.

CHUCK TODD:

If there was a FISA court order--

JAMES CLAPPER:

Yes.

CHUCK TODD:

--on something like this.

JAMES CLAPPER:

Something like this, absolutely.

CHUCK TODD:

And at this point, you can't confirm or deny whether that exists?

JAMES CLAPPER:

I can deny it.

CHUCK TODD:

There is no FISA court order?

JAMES CLAPPER:

Not-- not to know my knowledge.

CHUCK TODD:

Of anything at Trump Tower?

JAMES CLAPPER:

No.

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Post by C-Mag » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:57 pm

Thanks for that ^^^

Clapper, Brennan and Comey are all POS.

If I'm Trump its, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'd be all over all those agencies collecting documentation to imprison them.
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by de officiis » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:47 pm

C-Mag wrote:Thanks for that ^^^

Clapper, Brennan and Comey are all POS.

If I'm Trump its, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'd be all over all those agencies collecting documentation to imprison them.
When people holding these positions can't be trusted to tell the truth, where does that leave us as a society?
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Post by Penner » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:02 pm

The Conservative wrote:
C-Mag wrote:CONFIRMED
The Trump Campaign was Wire Tapped
By whom? Russia, the DNC? (Like there is a difference?)

Manafort was wiretapped in 2014, two years before the election. Also, AJ Sessions himself has confirmed that Trump and his Tower hasn't been wiretapped.
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Post by C-Mag » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:05 pm

Penner wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
C-Mag wrote:CONFIRMED
The Trump Campaign was Wire Tapped
By whom? Russia, the DNC? (Like there is a difference?)

Manafort was wiretapped in 2014, two years before the election. Also, AJ Sessions himself has confirmed that Trump and his Tower hasn't been wiretapped.

Lets see some proof
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by kybkh » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:23 pm

Penner wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
C-Mag wrote:CONFIRMED
The Trump Campaign was Wire Tapped
By whom? Russia, the DNC? (Like there is a difference?)

Manafort was wiretapped in 2014, two years before the election. Also, AJ Sessions himself has confirmed that Trump and his Tower hasn't been wiretapped.
He was wiretaped in 2014 but guess what, they didn't have shit so they let it go. Also, all his communication was hacked. You think they just looking at particular numbers likes the 1980s or something?
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Post by kybkh » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:27 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Penner wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
By whom? Russia, the DNC? (Like there is a difference?)

Manafort was wiretapped in 2014, two years before the election. Also, AJ Sessions himself has confirmed that Trump and his Tower hasn't been wiretapped.

Lets see some proof
The proof is he was hacked in 2014 along with the likes of the Podesta Group and they never came up with anything incriminating so the keg it go. Applied once in early 2016, was denied, then used the meeting which a Fusion GPS employee attended to entrap the Trump campaign and get a new warrant.

Even MSM has said that 2/3 sources say that it is not encriminating evidence.
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by Penner » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:38 pm

The thing is the whole investigation started in 2014 as part of another investigation into Viktor Yanukovych (A Russian friendly Ukraine politician). As with the hacked, I thought they were his daughters' phones which shown that she thought he was partly a scummy dude, but they were kind of happy that he was in politcals:
The texts, posted on a darknet website run by a hacktivist collective, appear to show Manafort’s family fretting about the ethics, safety and consequences of his work for Yanukovych. And they reveal that Manafort’s two daughters regarded their father’s emergence as a key player on Trump’s presidential campaign with a mixture of pride and embarrassment

In one exchange, daughter Jessica Manafort writes “Im not a trump supporter but i am still proud of dad tho. He is the best at what he does.” Her sister Andrea Manafort responded by referring to their father’s relationship with Trump as “The most dangerous friendship in America,” while in another exchange she called them “a perfect pair” of “power-hungry egomaniacs,” and asserted “the only reason my dad is doing this campaign is for sport. He likes the challenge. It's like an egomaniac's chess game. There's no money motivation.”

By contrast, the Manafort daughters and their mother seemed much more unsettled about Paul Manafort’s work as a political consultant for Yanukovych’s Russia-backed Party of Regions, which is a subject of renewed interest among investigators probing possible links between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

In one March 2015 exchange that appears to be between the two sisters, Andrea Manafort seems to suggest that their father bore some responsibility for the deaths of protesters at the hands of police loyal to Yanukovych during a monthslong uprising that started in late 2013.

“Don't fool yourself,” Andrea Manafort wrote. “That money we have is blood money.”

In another hacked exchange a few months later with someone else, Andrea Manafort wrote that her father’s “work and payment in Ukraine is legally questionable.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/m ... sts-235473

The investigation started in 2014 and the wiretapped was ordered in 2014. Then they stopped and went back to FISA court presented more evidence that they wanted to wiretap him again.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team, which is leading the investigation into Russia's involvement in the election, has been provided details of these communications.

A secret order authorized by the court that handles the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) began after Manafort became the subject of an FBI investigation that began in 2014. It centered on work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for Ukraine's former ruling party, the sources told CNN.

The surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence, according to one of the sources.
The FBI then restarted the surveillance after obtaining a new FISA warrant that extended at least into early this year.
Sources say the second warrant was part of the FBI's efforts to investigate ties between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives. Such warrants require the approval of top Justice Department and FBI officials, and the FBI must provide the court with information showing suspicion that the subject of the warrant may be acting as an agent of a foreign power.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/ ... index.html

Overall, they seemed like two different things that were dove tailing into one narritive.
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by kybkh » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:07 pm

If I may ask you a question Penner,

What do you make of the fact that a Fushion GPS employee was at the meeting in Trump Tower and the "Russian lawyer" was allowed in the country per an exception from the DOJ?

Does that arouse any suspicions?
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by Penner » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:20 pm

kybkh wrote:If I may ask you a question Penner,

What do you make of the fact that a Fushion GPS employee was at the meeting in Trump Tower and the "Russian lawyer" was allowed in the country per an exception from the DOJ?

Does that arouse any suspicions?

Are you talking about that "adoption meeting" that Trump Jr screwed up telling to the public?
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