Another School Shooting

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Oh yes we can. Your dishonesty here is truly laughable. First you accuse people of resorting to conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. When asked to back that up, you quoted random sentences and proclaimed there was some "innuendo" hidden in them. Then you deliberately distorted the truth about police involvement in this kid's life to make it seem like the police couldn't possibly have known this shooting was coming when we can all see that they were heavily involved at all levels (including federal), this kid even told everybody he planned on doing it, and they did absolutely nothing -- absolutely nothing even during the shooting itself. Then you attempt to pathologize everybody who criticizes the police. Lastly, when all that fails, you just proclaim "we can't have a discussion about this stuff". Sure.

You are getting crushed right now.

You are backing away from your own statements because they are retarded. Which, I consider, a victory for reason.

[Okeefenokee]

Like DB said, I have no idea how many tips the police receive about things like this, or how they decide which are actionable. But I have read a few pages of youtube comments, and can say with some certainty that people say shit like the things Cruz was saying all the time.

The fact is, it is easy to make a post hoc case that the cops should have stopped the fucktard that actually shot up a school. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on where you stand) just being a fucktard saying dumb shit on the internet isn't enough to trigger action from the authorities.

You're intentionally being dishonest.

This wasn't just some annon saying shit online, and you know it.

The cops were at his house all the fucking time, and his family tried multiple times to get the police to prevent this, and they didn't do shit.

Attack my motives to defend your post hoc reasoning.
Can't really have a discussion about that.
/shrug

More dishonesty.

None of that is reasoning.

It's what happened.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=f ... lice&cad=h

[Okeefenokee]

Parsimony (what non-college-educated people refer to as "Occam's Razor" without understanding what it means) dictates the least assumptions fall on a single man making a bad call: Sheriff Israel. Assuming all four deputies would turn coward is three assumptions more than assuming an incompetent sheriff making a stupid order.

But again: I don't know which it was. I find the official excuse, that four out of four deputies just chickened out, to be highly unbelievable right now.

The governor really needs to step in and have the state police start investigating and replacing people for the time being. The residents of Broward county deserve at least some confidence that their tax dollars are paying for law enforcement that actually does their job.

That's why I said the DOJ needs to seize the comms before they have a mysterious computer virus.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Parsimony (what non-college-educated people refer to as "Occam's Razor" without understanding what it means) dictates the least assumptions fall on a single man making a bad call: Sheriff Israel. Assuming all four deputies would turn coward is three assumptions more than assuming an incompetent sheriff making a stupid order.

But again: I don't know which it was. I find the official excuse, that four out of four deputies just chickened out, to be highly unbelievable right now.

The governor really needs to step in and have the state police start investigating and replacing people for the time being. The residents of Broward county deserve at least some confidence that their tax dollars are paying for law enforcement that actually does their job.

What made you feel compelled to bring up the Las Vegas shooting?

The parsimonious interpretation that Broward county's sheriff shit the bed doesn't seem to relate in any way to any other mass shooting, or 'the narrative,' or any other damn thing that has been bandied about.

Because that investigation is equally as rotten.

There is no such thing as a "parsimonious interpretation". Parsimony is a heuristic which tells you which hypothesis to investigate first in order to reach a correct conclusion in the most efficient steps. It could be the least parsimonious hypothesis that is correct, but not likely.

I know what parsimony is. I don't know what your pedantic little aside is supposed to achieve.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You're intentionally being dishonest.

This wasn't just some annon saying shit online, and you know it.

The cops were at his house all the fucking time, and his family tried multiple times to get the police to prevent this, and they didn't do shit.

Attack my motives to defend your post hoc reasoning.
Can't really have a discussion about that.
/shrug

More dishonesty.

None of that is reasoning.

It's what happened.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=f ... lice&cad=h

I thought we weren't supposed to be 'pathologizing' each other.

[StCapps]

Using anecdotes to project on all deputies. Just because you knew deputies who would never act that way doesn't mean there aren't any who would chicken out, fear is contagious, especially in an emergency of that magnitude. Could be them being incompetent cowards, could be that the sheriff was an incompetent coward, neither are that unlikely. Not all deputies are action movie heroes, protip.

You might find it unbelievable that four deputies chickened out, but that doesn't make it unbelievable, it just means you have shitty imagination constrained by projecting how the deputies you know would act in that position on all deputies, to the point where you can't possibly imagine how four of them that are shit at their jobs could never be on the scene of a school shooting somehow.

[Okeefenokee]

• Ten years of police history
  
  Multiple calls for violence
  
  Multiple warnings to the FBI for threatening to shoot up a school
  
  Multiple warnings to local police that he planned to shoot someone
  
  Multiple requests made by family and others for police to take his firearms
  
  The officer in charge of security at the school leaves the school and waits outside
  
  Cops responding to the shooting wait outside
  
  Sheriff goes on tv and blames Dana Loesh

Is there anything else I need to add when I imagine that all this is just the result of random probability?

[StCapps]

• Ten years of police history
  
  Multiple calls for violence
  
  Multiple warnings to the FBI for threatening to shoot up a school
  
  Multiple warnings to local police that he planned to shoot someone
  
  Multiple requests made by family and others for police to take his firearms
  
  The officer in charge of security at the school leaves the school and waits outside
  
  Cops responding to the shooting wait outside
  
  Sheriff goes on tv and blames Dana Loesh

Is there anything else I need to add when I imagine that all this is just the result of random probability?

Incompetence explains these coincidences better than malice, at least given the information known so far, that I can tell you.

[Speaker to Animals]

The question is whose incompetence and the current issue is all the garbage being flung about to protect that individual, or those individuals.

The assertion that four out four deputies turned coward is definitely not the most likely hypothesis right now.

[StCapps]

The question is whose incompetence and the current issue is all the garbage being flung about to protect that individual, or those individuals.

The assertion that four out four deputies turned coward is definitely not the most likely hypothesis right now.

Perhaps not, but it's not unbelievable, it's totally believable, and it one of the more likely explanations, certainly more likely than any internet conspiracy theories being bandied about.