Net Neutrality

[Okeefenokee]

Would love to read that article Fife, but it is so laden with ads, it won't even load.

I use adblock on chrome. Works wonders. Try it out. No youtube ads. Some pages ask you to pause it, so you just pause it to see it if you want, then turn it back on.

[Okeefenokee]

If I was the FCC, I'd have no issue taking to task bandwidth hogs such as Netflix, which does absolutely nothing to reduce their bandwidth streaming.

If you were the FCC no one would blame StA for losing his shit. We’d all be right there with him.

shots fired

[Okeefenokee]

I would be less appalled by this decision if there was actually a free market going on, and people had several dozen ISPs to choose from in their area. But we know that's not the case. The same ISPs that eagerly repealed this will lobby congress to prevent any local competition in their cartel zones. If you think Comcast gives a flying fuck about delivering a good product, and cares about free markets and its customers needs, I have some beads to trade Manhattan for.

I have zero ISPs where I live. I had zero ISPs where I grew up. Before, during, and after 2015 NN, people didn't have high speed. 2015 NN wasn't the issue.

[TheReal_ND]

I didn't notice anything magical when NN went into place. My prices didn't go down, my service didn't get better. I'm not clear that it did anything, really.

Frankly, the more I hear the two different opinions, the more muddled the conversation gets. I suspect both sides are being hyperbolic to the extreme, making it confusing for the rest of us.

No need to re-create your giant walls of text (both sides.) I've read and understand them.

It's just hard to discern fact from opinion, since the difference between 2015 and 2017, cost and experience wise, is not really different for me.

Nor I, if anything it has gotten more expensive for less.

We dumped all land lines and went with mobile. Less bandwidth, but we have enough to do what we want, and it's way the hell cheaper.

Didn't I turn you on to that?

I mean hell. Two years ago I was paying some money for three gigs a month. Now I have unlimited and ten gigs hotspot for the same price. I mean there is noticeable throttling going on during certain hours in some places but I'm generally pleased with how well cellular networks are progressing.

[Smitty-48]

Just think about the way net neutrality is being framed in the very classic oppressor/oppressed model. It's all about preventing the "strong eating the weak" so that the weak have to take up arms against the strong. Which is why a failure to take up arms results in hysterical doomsday crying - they think they are about to get eaten. That's the socialism speaking.

Indeed, but the last place you want to run for help, is straight to the nanny police state, particularly as envisioned by the Democrat party.

The market is no panacea, but it's like democracy, the worst system, except for all the others.

The regulatory overreach never achieves the stated mission, it always backfires, unintended consequences, which on the aggregate, just makes things worse.

There's no neutrality in Net Leftality, they're just try pick winners and losers again, one corporate entrenched interest over another, and it's a rabbit hole, once you go down it, there's no end to it, it just keeps going, until it becomes absurd.

[TheReal_ND]

LOL

If you have to straw man people, then you don't really have a comeback.

I think this is going to reflect in the midterms. The very people Trump needed to turn out are less inclined to do so. It's hard to believe we are going to keep winning and Trump is going to put America first when he fucks consumers in the ass for Comcast.

Huh uh sure. The Senator from Twitter and Facebook surely are looking out for us. Look who you are throwing in with, Penner, Elizabeth fucking Warren, really? Fuck that shit on principle.

Add to that Bernie Sanders.

A significant portion of Trump supporters aren't actually conservatives in the american sense though they parade their red pills proudly. Many are national socialists who fell for the allure of the same underlying philosophy that Hitler paraded around. They aren't german nazis or SS storm troopers, but they are looking to revive the spirit of national socialism in a "hitler got it wrong" kind of way. Same as the marxists when they say Stalin got it wrong. They want a new hero figure to lead them into glorious utopia and Trump happens to fit the bill for a number of reasons.

They go a bit far with their desire for a national identity to bind their sense of being together and head off into collectivist land. Making America Great Again means something very different depending on what you think "America" is.

Socialised internet sounds good to these people because they aren't fundamentally opposed to big government or command economics. Just how it is. Horse shoe theory and all.

American conservatism doesn't mean anything other than they are what liberals were twenty years ago at any point on a timeline. In twenty years they will demand tranny bathrooms in churches for gay weddings.

It should mean something though. It has been perverted by people that attempt to combat leftist intellectuals NRO style, by putting conservatism down on paper. Really, at the end of the day, conservatism simply means the American volk. Not some tax policy or meaningless blather about how democucks are the real racists.

[Okeefenokee]

This is a disaster for Trump. Most of the people he needs to turn out in elections support net neutrality in a big way. He claims to want to put Americans first, but apparently they are second to Comcast.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... -striking/

On the eve of a pivotal vote that would deregulate the broadband industry, a fresh survey from the University of Maryland shows that large majorities of Americans — including 3 out of 4 Republicans — oppose the government's plan to repeal its net neutrality rules for Internet providers.

The results paint the picture of an electorate that is largely at odds with the GOP-led Federal Communications Commission, whose chairman, Ajit Pai, plans to vote Thursday to lift key rules for corporations such as AT&T, Comcast and Verizon. The move would permit such companies to speed up some websites, and slow down or block others, as Internet providers seek new business models in a rapidly changing media and technology environment.

Can't read articles from wapo without paying.

[TheReal_ND]

Wait.... he seriously used WaPoo?

[Smitty-48]

Question:

We saw a few months ago how Google basically stole the Dailystormer domain and colluded with Cloudfront to take down a website they found objectionable.

What's to stop ISPs from deciding that somebody's content is objectionable and throttling all internet traffic to and from that site to the point where it's essentially unusable and unviewable?

Yeah, you might hate dailystormer and rejoice in their having their domain stolen from them to shut it down, but it doesn't have to be just Dailystormer. It could be anybody these corporations find objectionable, for any reason now. It could be this very forum, actually.

If it already happened with 2015 NN in place, why does 2015 NN repeal matter?

Nothing about declaring ISP's to be a public utility subject to Title II of the Communications Act would protect the Daily Stormer, quite the opposite, public utilities are subject to all sorts of political whim, it's the worst of both worlds; ye olde "public-private partnership".

[Okeefenokee]

Now I am really excited for the alt-right to get kicked off the internet. That's going to make me really fucking happy after today.

You know that was already happening under 2015 NN.