Net Neutrality

[clubgop]

LMFAO

Fucking merchants are why the GOP is doomed. The only way to save the republic is to kick those weasels out of the party.

This obsession with business and money literally destroys the Republican party. You guys talk a lot of shit about social conservatives, but in reality it's the libertarian crony merchant types that drive voters away.

Net neutrality was supported by 4 out of 5 Republican voters. The very people Trump needed to get out in vote in the next two cycles are not exactly feeling like Trump has their best interests in mind. This was an incredibly stupid move, politically. Yugely stupid.

He gained nothing politically and handed these corps the very tools to silence the political speech that supports him. I am going to laugh my ass off when the so-called "fact checkers" decide pro-Trump articles are fake news, and ISPs throttle those sites for the greater good.

Yes people will surely die! First they will die cause Paris climate accord then they will die cause tax cuts then they will die again because the internet went back to where it was 2015. How will we ever survive? He can't keep getting away with this, can he?

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL

If you have to straw man people, then you don't really have a comeback.

I think this is going to reflect in the midterms. The very people Trump needed to turn out are less inclined to do so. It's hard to believe we are going to keep winning and Trump is going to put America first when he fucks consumers in the ass for Comcast.

[Penner]

We can't have a competitive ISP, Nick.

How about this. WHEN we get competition in broadband, THEN we can start talking about ending net neutrality.

What we?

The whole country, Nick. Just because you live in an exceptional area where these companies have not bribed your state legislature (yet) to criminalize competition doesn't somehow erase the fact that the vast majority of Americans were screwed out of any viable competition years ago.

TO just give an example of this- my home state of PA give Verizon 2.1 billion dollars, in 1994, in tax breaks so they can lay fiber-optic cables to get better (and faster) internet and it never happened, FYI:

A decade ago, we wrote about how Verizon had made an agreement in Pennsylvania in 1994 that it would wire up the state with fiber optic cables to every home in exchange for tax breaks equalling $2.1 billion. In exchange for such a massive tax break, Verizon promised that all homes and businesses would have access to 45Mbps symmetrical fiber by 2015. By 2004, the deal was that 50% of all homes were supposed to have that. In reality, 0% did, and some people started asking for their money back. That never happened, and it appeared that Verizon learned a valuable lesson: it can flat out lie to governments, promise 100% fiber coverage in exchange for subsidies, then not deliver, and no one will do a damn thing about it.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131 ... vers.shtml

[Penner]

And here was the epilog for that story (spoilers- Verizon lobbied, and won to never pay back that money to PA):

In 1994 Verizon (then Bell Atlantic) struck a landmark deal with the state of Pennsylvania. The deal provided Verizon with hefty financial incentives if they met certain broadband rollout criteria. It's estimated that those financial incentives over the years clock in somewhere around $2.1 billion dollars.

As part of that agreement, Bell Atlantic agreed to have 20% of the state broadband wired by 1998, and 50% by 2004. By 2015, broadband would be run throughout the state to the majority of Verizon's customers. It's important to note that this wasn't DSL they were talking about...but 45MB/s symmetrical fiber service right to the door of homes and businesses, ambitious and impractical for certain, but nonetheless included in the language of the agreement. While wiring every home with fiber skirts the limits of reality, the financial benefits received from Verizon in the deal were very real.

That update, which needed to show Verizon was working toward that 45Mbps goal, never really came. Instead, in a ruling this week, the state essentially allowed Verizon to completely ignore the agreement, keep all financial incentives, and provide state-wide connectivity via copper lines, ignoring the language of the original agreement.

Commissioner Glen Thomas, speaking in fluent lobby-eese, defended his ruling: "As Pennsylvania considers its telecommunications policy of the future, I believe that our collective energies will be best spent on creating a climate that allows factors such as competition and demand to flourish." Application of such 'energies' apparently doesn't include holding companies accountable for billions in profits already pocketed for services that were never deployed.

Commissioner Terrance Fitzpatrick, who has long accused Verizon of backpedaling on the agreement, was the lone dissenting voice in the 4-1 vote. According to Fitzpatrick, he does not "believe this decision is equitable to customers in light of the value to Verizon of being released from its prior obligation."

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/30544

[clubgop]

LOL

If you have to straw man people, then you don't really have a comeback.

I think this is going to reflect in the midterms. The very people Trump needed to turn out are less inclined to do so. It's hard to believe we are going to keep winning and Trump is going to put America first when he fucks consumers in the ass for Comcast.

Huh uh sure. The Senator from Twitter and Facebook surely are looking out for us. Look who you are throwing in with, Penner, Elizabeth fucking Warren, really? Fuck that shit on principle.

[TheReal_ND]

Are you FUNDED BY THOSE YOU ARE WARNING US ABOUT? I AM A HOSTAGE. THIS HURTS. TOXIC UNHEALTHY MAKING ME LOOK REPTILIAN. THIS IS. INSANE. NEGATIVE ENERGY. THIS IS NEGATIVE ENERGY NOT ME COMPLAINING ABOUT THE EVIL BEAST SYSTEM FUNDING ALL THIS EVIL

lol what?

[tue4t]

LOL

If you have to straw man people, then you don't really have a comeback.

I think this is going to reflect in the midterms. The very people Trump needed to turn out are less inclined to do so. It's hard to believe we are going to keep winning and Trump is going to put America first when he fucks consumers in the ass for Comcast.

Huh uh sure. The Senator from Twitter and Facebook surely are looking out for us. Look who you are throwing in with, Penner, Elizabeth fucking Warren, really? Fuck that shit on principle.

Add to that Bernie Sanders.

A significant portion of Trump supporters aren't actually conservatives in the american sense though they parade their red pills proudly. Many are national socialists who fell for the allure of the same underlying philosophy that Hitler paraded around. They aren't german nazis or SS storm troopers, but they are looking to revive the spirit of national socialism in a "hitler got it wrong" kind of way. Same as the marxists when they say Stalin got it wrong. They want a new hero figure to lead them into glorious utopia and Trump happens to fit the bill for a number of reasons.

They go a bit far with their desire for a national identity to bind their sense of being together and head off into collectivist land. Making America Great Again means something very different depending on what you think "America" is.

Socialised internet sounds good to these people because they aren't fundamentally opposed to big government or command economics. Just how it is. Horse shoe theory and all.

[heydaralon]

LOL

If you have to straw man people, then you don't really have a comeback.

I think this is going to reflect in the midterms. The very people Trump needed to turn out are less inclined to do so. It's hard to believe we are going to keep winning and Trump is going to put America first when he fucks consumers in the ass for Comcast.

Huh uh sure. The Senator from Twitter and Facebook surely are looking out for us. Look who you are throwing in with, Penner, Elizabeth fucking Warren, really? Fuck that shit on principle.

Add to that Bernie Sanders.

A significant portion of Trump supporters aren't actually conservatives in the american sense though they parade their red pills proudly. Many are national socialists who fell for the allure of the same underlying philosophy that Hitler paraded around. They aren't german nazis or SS storm troopers, but they are looking to revive the spirit of national socialism in a "hitler got it wrong" kind of way. Same as the marxists when they say Stalin got it wrong. They want a new hero figure to lead them into glorious utopia and Trump happens to fit the bill for a number of reasons.

They go a bit far with their desire for a national identity to bind their sense of being together and head off into collectivist land. Making America Great Again means something very different depending on what you think "America" is.

Socialised internet sounds good to these people because they aren't fundamentally opposed to big government or command economics. Just how it is. Horse shoe theory and all.

Where are you getting those numbers from? What percentage of Trump supporters are National Socialists? I'm willing to bet its close to .1%.

[nmoore63]

And here was the epilog for that story (spoilers- Verizon lobbied, and won to never pay back that money to PA):

In 1994 Verizon (then Bell Atlantic) struck a landmark deal with the state of Pennsylvania. The deal provided Verizon with hefty financial incentives if they met certain broadband rollout criteria. It's estimated that those financial incentives over the years clock in somewhere around $2.1 billion dollars.

As part of that agreement, Bell Atlantic agreed to have 20% of the state broadband wired by 1998, and 50% by 2004. By 2015, broadband would be run throughout the state to the majority of Verizon's customers. It's important to note that this wasn't DSL they were talking about...but 45MB/s symmetrical fiber service right to the door of homes and businesses, ambitious and impractical for certain, but nonetheless included in the language of the agreement. While wiring every home with fiber skirts the limits of reality, the financial benefits received from Verizon in the deal were very real.

That update, which needed to show Verizon was working toward that 45Mbps goal, never really came. Instead, in a ruling this week, the state essentially allowed Verizon to completely ignore the agreement, keep all financial incentives, and provide state-wide connectivity via copper lines, ignoring the language of the original agreement.

Commissioner Glen Thomas, speaking in fluent lobby-eese, defended his ruling: "As Pennsylvania considers its telecommunications policy of the future, I believe that our collective energies will be best spent on creating a climate that allows factors such as competition and demand to flourish." Application of such 'energies' apparently doesn't include holding companies accountable for billions in profits already pocketed for services that were never deployed.

Commissioner Terrance Fitzpatrick, who has long accused Verizon of backpedaling on the agreement, was the lone dissenting voice in the 4-1 vote. According to Fitzpatrick, he does not "believe this decision is equitable to customers in light of the value to Verizon of being released from its prior obligation."

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/30544

penner.

I’m not unaware of these things nor unsympathetic.... there simply is no net neutrality short cut around holding these people accountable.

[tue4t]

Huh uh sure. The Senator from Twitter and Facebook surely are looking out for us. Look who you are throwing in with, Penner, Elizabeth fucking Warren, really? Fuck that shit on principle.

Add to that Bernie Sanders.

A significant portion of Trump supporters aren't actually conservatives in the american sense though they parade their red pills proudly. Many are national socialists who fell for the allure of the same underlying philosophy that Hitler paraded around. They aren't german nazis or SS storm troopers, but they are looking to revive the spirit of national socialism in a "hitler got it wrong" kind of way. Same as the marxists when they say Stalin got it wrong. They want a new hero figure to lead them into glorious utopia and Trump happens to fit the bill for a number of reasons.

They go a bit far with their desire for a national identity to bind their sense of being together and head off into collectivist land. Making America Great Again means something very different depending on what you think "America" is.

Socialised internet sounds good to these people because they aren't fundamentally opposed to big government or command economics. Just how it is. Horse shoe theory and all.

Where are you getting those numbers from? What percentage of Trump supporters are National Socialists? I'm willing to bet its close to .1%.

I'm failing to see the numbers you're referring to. I said a significant portion of Trump supporters. That means materially relevant. All you have to do is read /pol/, t_d, and even this forum.

You're most likely misunderstanding what i mean by national socialist as well. I'm not talking about party affiliation or "hey guys i'm a national socialist". I'm talking on the level of fundamental philosophy - how one perceives and acts in the world. Belief is defined by action.

It's not a slight either. Many people are more national socialist than they realise and understandably so. You can answer that question by asking what America means to the person speaking. What kind of policies are they advocating and why? Do they see America as an extended family and in what sense? What is the object they use to evaluate said policies? Individual liberty, or the wellbeing of collective identities?

Don't get me wrong, i'm talking about the national socialist inside of each of us and to what extent each of us allow it to speak. Not about full blooded heil hitler types - who are indeed an insignificant minority.