There isn't such a thing as allegiance to the Pope. There never was. The Pope is in charge of the spiritual lives of people, not the secular. There is a separation of Church and state in Catholicism.
The bolded above is untrue, and that separation is a pretty recent development, the King of Spain was traditionally referred to as 'His Most Catholic Majesty', and there's some dozen nations that haven't gotten the news, still calling themselves officially Catholic nations, including Poland and Argentina. A medieval ruler crossed the Pope at peril of excommunication, and the people would revolt against him, led by their priests.
But what if all of Southern Europe decided that the Vatican City was immoral and stolen property, and were doing their best to eradicate it? Would you want to support the Vatican even though you don't give it the loyalty you give your nation?
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND
There isn't such a thing as allegiance to the Pope. There never was. The Pope is in charge of the spiritual lives of people, not the secular. There is a separation of Church and state in Catholicism.
The bolded above is untrue, and that separation is a pretty recent development, the King of Spain was traditionally referred to as 'His Most Catholic Majesty', and there's some dozen nations that haven't gotten the news, still calling themselves officially Catholic nations, including Poland and Argentina. A medieval ruler crossed the Pope at peril of excommunication, and the people would revolt against him, led by their priests.
But what if all of Southern Europe decided that the Vatican City was immoral and stolen property, and were doing their best to eradicate it? Would you want to support the Vatican even though you don't give it the loyalty you give your nation?
That's not "allegiance to the Pope". Spain was a confessional state. That was the secular government dictating that, though the Catholic Church certainly agreed it was a good idea. The Protestants in those days were all a bunch of God damned pirates and terrorists.
As far as paragraph two.. Italy already did that. Nobody lifted a finger.
This is just Jewish subterfuge on display at it's finest. Misdirect and project until you get the gentiles bickering amongst each other and they forget that they were calling you out for your bullshit to begin with.
As far as paragraph two.. Italy already did that. Nobody lifted a finger.
Then why is it still there? They didn't have badass troops like the IDF, unless you count the Swiss mercs.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND
As far as paragraph two.. Italy already did that. Nobody lifted a finger.
Then why is it still there? They didn't have badass troops like the IDF, unless you count the Swiss mercs.
Is what still there?
All the Church possesses now is the Vatican, which is just a collection of buildings, apartments, and offices. They used to control all of Rome and a huge swath of land around it. Have you never heard of the Papal States? Italy invaded it with an army. Nobody gave a shit. Catholics everywhere were like, meh, Pope had it coming. Whatever.
As far as their troops, the Pope ordered them to surrender to the Italians. They didn't even fight.
As far as paragraph two.. Italy already did that. Nobody lifted a finger.
Then why is it still there? They didn't have badass troops like the IDF, unless you count the Swiss mercs.
Is what still there?
All the Church possesses now is the Vatican, which is just a collection of buildings, apartments, and offices. They used to control all of Rome and a huge swath of land around it. Have you never heard of the Papal States? Italy invaded it with an army. Nobody gave a shit. Catholics everywhere were like, meh, Pope had it coming. Whatever.
As far as their troops, the Pope ordered them to surrender to the Italians. They didn't even fight.
But it's still there. They gave up land for peace, just as Israel did with the Sinai, a territory several times it's size.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND
