America Ain’t That Great?

[Speaker to Animals]

Strong advice: turn off the fucking television before you become a permanent zombie to this shit.

You are coming in here like a Jonestown cultist throwing cyanide koolaid in our faces, and I don't even like the grape koolaid.

THEY ARE FUCKING LYING TO YOU.

[Martin Hash]

He was the first punch back by my side.

Consider for a moment that you do not take my advice on this issue yet by all measures, I’m the one to ask? Only our “identities” can explain the difference.

The OWG side has been punching and punching down against minorities, the poor, women, immigrants, and queer people since time immemorial. And a majority of white women in my tax bracket voted for Trump, so I am not sure what my identity is supposed to have to do with the kids these days and whether Trump has been very bad for us as a country in seeking to divide us at every turn.

What is your advice on this issue? I thought this was a thread to bemoan how the kids aren't patriotic anymore.

It's certainly not to be disrespected by you. I disagree with your narrative, yet you insist you are right. I'm smarter than you, more experienced than you in all things, more politically active than you, more successful than you. I can't think of one thing you could give me advice on but you won't take mine. That's called disrespect. Like I said, I don't like being disrespected.

[HarryK]

He was the first punch back by my side.

Consider for a moment that you do not take my advice on this issue yet by all measures, I’m the one to ask? Only our “identities” can explain the difference.

The OWG side has been punching and punching down against minorities, the poor, women, immigrants, and queer people since time immemorial. And a majority of white women in my tax bracket voted for Trump, so I am not sure what my identity is supposed to have to do with the kids these days and whether Trump has been very bad for us as a country in seeking to divide us at every turn.

What is your advice on this issue? I thought this was a thread to bemoan how the kids aren't patriotic anymore.

Always subject to the eye of the beholder no matter how myopic one’s eyes can be.

[ooky]

She just has no idea what it has been like on the receiving end of so much hatred and bigotry. She constantly virtue signals against hatred and bigotry only to perpetrate it herself.

She chose her side. Don't let her in our zone when the time comes.

Don't worry, you have personally done a LOT to let me know what it is like to be on the receiving end of much hatred and bigotry for being the gender than I am.

And I'm not sure who I've hated on here aside from Trump, I'm just trying to say, The Kids are Alright. Trying to improve upon conditions in the country does not mean you aren't a patriot.

[Martin Hash]

She just has no idea what it has been like on the receiving end of so much hatred and bigotry. She constantly virtue signals against hatred and bigotry only to perpetrate it herself.

She chose her side. Don't let her in our zone when the time comes.

Don't worry, you have personally done a LOT to let me know what it is like to be on the receiving end of much hatred and bigotry for being the gender than I am.

And I'm not sure who I've hated on here aside from Trump, I'm just trying to say, The Kids are Alright. Trying to improve upon conditions in the country does not mean you aren't a patriot.

As Harry just said, "eye of the beholder." What you call "improvement," I shit upon.

p.s. You know, all you have to do is back off on the Talking Points, and everyone here will debate you rationally. I've given you every opportunity to recognize that the battle is between The Patriarchy, of which Trump is our representative, and the Losers, of which women, minorities and socialists have been in the past. Argue that, you could win a few points.

[HarryK]

She just has no idea what it has been like on the receiving end of so much hatred and bigotry. She constantly virtue signals against hatred and bigotry only to perpetrate it herself.

She chose her side. Don't let her in our zone when the time comes.

Don't worry, you have personally done a LOT to let me know what it is like to be on the receiving end of much hatred and bigotry for being the gender than I am.

And I'm not sure who I've hated on here aside from Trump, I'm just trying to say, The Kids are Alright. Trying to improve upon conditions in the country does not mean you aren't a patriot.

As Harry just said, "eye of the beholder." What you call "improvement," I shit upon.

p.s. You know, all you have to do is back off on the Talking Points, and everyone here will debate you rationally. I've given you every opportunity to recognize that the battle is between The Patriarchy, of which Trump is our representative, and the Losers, of which women, minorities and socialists have been in the past. Argue that, you could win a few points.

At the end of the day Martin our alleged Democratic/Republic will always be filled with majority/minority squabbles. I do appreciate the self assurance but if you’re cup is so full of knowledge then you’ll leave no room to learn.

Life will go on without us and the same age old arguments continue.

Ooky is a damm smart cookie. And so is Kath. It’s just a shame that this board doesn’t allow their free speech and the right of rebuttal.

Unless you prefer n-bombs from ND to drag this board towards Hades rather than Elysium.

Once again Ooky and I are way closer to the epicenter of Trump. So we’ve already seen Trump’s tap dance for much longer than the rest of the nation. And his been living on his daddies money for everything he touches dies.

It was the lack of counter arguments that drove people smarter than I away from the DCF.

The ego always blinds a person from the truth, the humble learns to shut up and listens.

[DBTrek]

NOT AN ATTACK ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT

• Rep. Maxine Waters (D) - "“If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”"
  
  Rep. Ted Deutch (D) (grilling FB reps) - "You recently decided not to ban Infowars, can you explain that decision? ... How many strikes does a conspiracy theorist who attacks grieving parents and student survivors of mass shootings get?"
  
  Rep. Jamie Raskin (D)(grilling FB reps) - “You guys are private, journalistic entities right now, but if you’re going to be ideologically badgered and bulldozed to take positions in the interest of the right-wing politics, then we are going to have to look at what’s happening there, because then at that point there’s not viewpoint neutrality,”
  
  Sen Ron Wyden (D) - “I think what the Alex Jones case shows, we’re gonna really be looking at what the consequences are for just leaving common decency in the dust, ... What I’m gonna be trying to do in my legislation is to really lay out what the consequences are when somebody who is a bad actor, somebody who really doesn’t meet the decency principles that reflect our values, if that bad actor blows by the bounds of common decency, I think you gotta have a way to make sure that stuff is taken down.”

ATTACK ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT

• President Donald Trump (R) - "The NFL National Anthem Debate is alive and well again, can’t believe it! Isn’t it in contract that players must stand at attention, hand on heart? The $40,000,000 Commissioner must now make a stand. First time kneeling, out for game. Second time kneeling, out for season/no pay!"

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*Note: Trump supporters and cabinet members have been harassed, attacked, and run out of public establishments. InfoWars is banned from YouTube, Apple, and Facebook. Zero NFL players have faced consequences for kneeling during the anthem.

[Martin Hash]

Very well done, DB.

p.s. Don't expect a cogent rebuttal.

[ooky]

NOT AN ATTACK ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT

• Rep. Maxine Waters (D) - "“If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”"
  
  = government official calling people of this country to focus protests on highest eschelon government officials over a heinous policy that destroys families and abuses children, that they are directly responsible for and could do something about. Nope, not an attack on the 1st amendment.
  
  Rep. Ted Deutch (D) (grilling FB reps) - "You recently decided not to ban Infowars, can you explain that decision? ... How many strikes does a conspiracy theorist who attacks grieving parents and student survivors of mass shootings get?"
  
  This is the government struggling to deal in a Congressional query with the monopolies it has allowed to flourish, that are so big they have in some cases similar power to government. But FB can and do ban whoever they want, their actions are not government actions. The rep was pointing out how to the layman, however, Infowars certainly breeched FB protocol on acceptable content -- rules that FB created. Not 1st amendment violation.
  
  Rep. Jamie Raskin (D)(grilling FB reps) - “You guys are private, journalistic entities right now, but if you’re going to be ideologically badgered and bulldozed to take positions in the interest of the right-wing politics, then we are going to have to look at what’s happening there, because then at that point there’s not viewpoint neutrality,”
  
  The rep is explaining that based on the way FB explained their rules, Infowars should have been taken down. Asking whether this is because of right-wing pressure. Maybe hinting towards beginning to consider regulation of FB, taking them out of the category of protected 4th estate journalism to something else. I find it very marginal but I'll give you this one.
  
  Sen Ron Wyden (D) - “I think what the Alex Jones case shows, we’re gonna really be looking at what the consequences are for just leaving common decency in the dust, ... What I’m gonna be trying to do in my legislation is to really lay out what the consequences are when somebody who is a bad actor, somebody who really doesn’t meet the decency principles that reflect our values, if that bad actor blows by the bounds of common decency, I think you gotta have a way to make sure that stuff is taken down.”

I'm of the opinion that the Sandy Hook stuff Jones has done blows past 1st amendment protection and goes right to targeted harassment and defamation, which is NOT protected speech. So no, not a direct 1st amendment attack in my book.

ATTACK ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT

• President Donald Trump (R) - "The NFL National Anthem Debate is alive and well again, can’t believe it! Isn’t it in contract that players must stand at attention, hand on heart? The $40,000,000 Commissioner must now make a stand. First time kneeling, out for game. Second time kneeling, out for season/no pay!"

Oh, but you conveniently left out the dozens of tweets and statements he's made on this subject over the past year. Or the pressure put on ESPN. Or the meetings with the NFL. And this is the highest elected official, the head of the executive branch, pressuring individual citizens, their employers, and their employers' media, to make them STOP peacefully protesting, which is protected speech. Yep, an attack on the 1st amendment.

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*Note: Trump supporters and cabinet members have been harassed, attacked, and run out of public establishments. InfoWars is banned from YouTube, Apple, and Facebook. Zero NFL players have faced consequences for kneeling during the anthem.

Uh, Kaepernick has been blackballed, and the season hasn't started yet, the season in which Trump wants to see penalties and fines, people let go with no pay for second infraction, etc. NFL agreed to fines in May, which haven't had a chance to happen yet. You don't just get to bring in Trump supporters either. I have seen no story where private citizen Trump supporters have been run out of anywhere, or yelled at in any other way than protester-counter protester. Infowars violated all of those companies' stated policies for content, and AJ is likely to lose his defamation trial.

I'm with Beto on this one:

"Non-violently, peacefully, while the eyes of this country are watching these games, they take a knee to bring our attention and our focus to this problem to ensure that we fix it," O'Rourke said, referring to players who protest police brutality against unarmed African-Americans, a trend started by former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick in 2016. "I can think of nothing more American than to peacefully stand up, or take a knee, for your rights, anytime, anywhere, or any place," O'Rourke continued.

[DBTrek]

“Reasons”

(Gotta love: “I have seen no story where private citizen Trump supporters have been run out of anywhere, or yelled at in any other way than protester-counter protester.”)