America vs the rest of the world. What would happen?

[Smitty-48]

Fair enough, but I think the country would implode into a civil war, you're in no position to go to war with the world, the nation is deeply divided and in a state of political disorder, and easily two thirds of the American republican divide would find the whole idea of going to war with the rest of the world to be utterly repugnant and in fact a casus belli to overthrow the government.

You're talking a Vietnam War like schism, scaled up by many many orders of magnitude, and it wouldn't be some sort of "just war" which could be sold to the American people as being a "necessity", and as such, it would incite a mutiny on a national scale.

In the case of such a mind bogglingly stupid and self destructive scenario, I actually think the officers in the US military would be the ones leading the mutiny tbh.

I agree.

Get Americans to fight each other, start a civil war. But that's just part 1 of the warplan. The next phase in the plan (in this US against the rest war) would be to help the Americans by sending in peacekeepers. Help the poor American civilians caught in the crossfire. Help Americans to rebuild their political institutions. Assist in getting their economy up and running. All this helping through the UN, which could obviously do the job. In fact it would be the perfect pitch to sell the war against the US: it would be about helping the Americans. The US has given so much to the rest of the World, we have to help them at their time of need. Perfect war pitch!

None of this would happen of course, because in reality, America is becoming increasingly pacified all the time, for all their talk of "civil war!", that's just a fringe of bloviating internet kooks, to wit; Live Action Role Playing fantasists, but in the real world, America is turning into Giant Canada, right before our eyes.

Can you imagine drafting the American population now and trying to drop them into the Central Highlands to fight the NVA with bayonets? Washington wouldn't even try, they can only send robots out into indian country like that now, there's practically no fight left in America, contrary to the adolescent power fantasies of a tiny minority of wannabe prepper commandos, America is basically Avacado Latte Sipping Neckbeard Hipster Peacenik Nation; already

In Vietnam, it took 50,000 Americans killed to break the nations will to fight, in Iraq it took 5,000, in no time at all, the break will number will be 500.

[ssu]

None of this would happen of course,

Well, I surely hope nobody does take this whacky war scenario seriously...

because in reality, America is becoming increasingly pacified all the time, for all their talk of "civil war!", that's just a small fringe of bloviating internet kooks, in the real world, America is turning into Giant Canada, right before our eyes.

Can you imagine drafting the American population now and trying to drop them into the Central Highlands to fight the NVA with bayonets? Washington wouldn't even try, they can only send robots out into indian country like that now, there's practically no fight left in America, contrary to the adolescent power fantasies of a small minority of wannabe prepper commandos, America is basically Avacado Latte Sipping Neckbeard Hipster Peacenik Nation; already

Oh but that's not the way this hybrid war would be fought! The way is to collapse the US (the enemy of the rest of the World here) from the inside. It's never going to be about sending Americans to some distant shores en masse. And yes, Americans won't start fighting for some vague things as rights or the constitution. But what they fear is looters and criminals getting into their homes. Then they will grab their guns.

And that's why you have to concentrate on the Achilles heel of American social cohesion: race relations. Have such nauseating mass violence done to innocent civilians as somewhere in Congo (or earlier in Liberia) with the perpetrators and the victims being from different racial background and you can guarantee that Nukedog's views would look tame and liberal. Hence focus on the poorest states and the South. There's still a lot of guns in the US and Americans are easily convinced to protect their home. After all, hasn't Hollywood told us so many times that if some epic natural disaster or alien invasion happens, Americans start fighting each other and it's just for the heroic dad to protect his family?



Heck, If Hipster Peacenik California would be separated from mainland USA, then the best option is that they could finance the Worlds war against the US, sorry, the Peacekeeping Operation in the US. Oh those latte drinking empathetic Californians would surely give a buck or two to help the poor innocent people in the Southern States caught up in all the violence and give to UNICEF.

[Smitty-48]

Never gonna happen, again, that's all just video game/ hollywood movie/ internet fueled comic book LARPer fantasism, back in the real world, America will just continue on its trajectory of becoming totally pacified and non violent, to the point where Americans in the not so distant future won't even be able to stomach NFL football, never mind war.

[ssu]

Never gonna happen, again, that's all just video game/ hollywood movie/ internet fueled comic book LARPer fantasism, back in the real world, America will just continue on its trajectory of becoming totally pacified and non violent, to the point where Americans in the not so distant future won't even be able to stomach NFL football, never mind war.

Smitty, America vs the rest of the world will never happen.

But I'm waiting for the time when American football will be seen as too chauvinist, sexist, an old-school pseudo-sport praising violence that is well past it's prime.

One indicator would be if the average age of an football fan in the US would start to rise dramatically.

[Smitty-48]

Never gonna happen, again, that's all just video game/ hollywood movie/ internet fueled comic book LARPer fantasism, back in the real world, America will just continue on its trajectory of becoming totally pacified and non violent, to the point where Americans in the not so distant future won't even be able to stomach NFL football, never mind war.

Smitty, America vs the rest of the world will never happen.

But I'm waiting for the time when American football will be seen as too chauvinist, sexist, an old-school pseudo-sport praising violence that is well past it's prime.

One indicator would be if the average age of an football fan in the US would start to rise dramatically.

It's not that it's too chauvenist, sexist, nor even too old school, it's all about "traumatic brain injury", America's precious precious children are too precious to risk even a concussion now, never mind stepping on a landmine, it's already begun, the campaign to ban football isn't even required, parents are just going to have their kids play soccer instead, when the Boomers are gone and it's just Gen XYZ and their precious little montessori children, it will be all soccer and no more football, even for kids in the ghetto, it just won't be acceptable anymore, eventually Americans will look back on NFL football in horror, like they look back on lynching people now.

There's nothing anybody needs to do to make it happen, there's nothing anybody can do to stop the trajectory, it's just market forces, sure, there will be underground football games, just like dog fighting is now, but it will be illegal, the NFL won't be able to run an industry for which the byproduct is mass TBI, the NFL will just buy into soccer, and when they say National Football, it will be football in the European sense.

[ssu]

It's not that it's too chauvenist, sexist, nor even too old school, it's all about "traumatic brain injury", America's precious precious children are too precious to risk even a concussion now, never mind stepping on a landmine, it's already begun, the campaign to ban football isn't even required, parents are just going to have their kids play soccer instead, when the Boomers are gone and it's just Gen XYZ and their precious little montessori children, it will be all soccer and no more football, even for kids in the ghetto, it just won't be acceptable anymore, eventually Americans will look back on NFL football in horror, like they look back on lynching people now.

Good that we have hockey...

Here the amount of children playing hockey has risen.

[Smitty-48]

It's not that it's too chauvenist, sexist, nor even too old school, it's all about "traumatic brain injury", America's precious precious children are too precious to risk even a concussion now, never mind stepping on a landmine, it's already begun, the campaign to ban football isn't even required, parents are just going to have their kids play soccer instead, when the Boomers are gone and it's just Gen XYZ and their precious little montessori children, it will be all soccer and no more football, even for kids in the ghetto, it just won't be acceptable anymore, eventually Americans will look back on NFL football in horror, like they look back on lynching people now.

Good that we have hockey...

Here the amount of children playing hockey has risen.

Hockey will go the same way, it's already started, why do you think me and Capps call it the No Hit League?

What you could do even back in the 1990's, game in and game out, shift in and shift out, would get you suspended in the NHL for the whole season now, the NHL is on the trajectory to being like women's hockey, where there is no body checking permitted, that's not that far off, within a generation that will be the norm.

It's just market forces, what me and Capps consider to just be a good clean hit, the majority now; they freak out like it's an atrocity, My Lai Massacre freak outs, for a run o' the mill Wendel Clark finishing his check move, you can say that society is becoming pussified, and that's true, but it's only going to become even more so, the trajectory is not slowing down, it's picking up pace.

Old school hockey fans like me? We're already outnumbered by the pussified, probably three or four to one, very soon it will be ten to one, and then ninety-nine to one, the NHL will just go where the market goes, inexorably, they already are, by my standards, it's already like women's hockey, but the pussification of hockey has only just begun.

Whenever there's a good hard hit now, I just cringe, cause I know it's gonna be a penalty "two minutes for hitting hard" or "five minutes and a game for freaking people out", and the players know too, they're already letting up on hits, just as a natural evolution, so they don't even have to say "No Hit League" officially, it's just happening naturally based on liability and how they call the games.

And the same thing is happening in football, football can try to hold out, but between liability and market forces, it's just going to be bred out of existence naturally and inexorably, it just won't be played anymore, until there is nobody left to play it. With hockey, No Hit League is at least a viable option, but with football it wont be, but since the billions of dollars will be shifting to soccer anyways, the NFL wont care, they'll just go where the money goes and become soccer teams in the end.

It's like Junior Seau, I remember when he was a superman, and then within a couple years of retirement, he started to come apart, and then he killed himself, TBI, just like the vets from Iraq, and the science is coming out now, that's across the board, almost every brain they test, it's coming back CTE, parents are just not going to let their kids play this game, and it's not going to be as long as people think, because the lawsuits are just going to keep on coming, until playing any tackle football at all will be viewed as "child abuse".

There's no escaping it, the high schools, the colleges, that's where it will happen fast, the liability will be too much, they will just cease to allow football to be played, because they won't accept the huge liability which is going to come crashing down on them, and at the same time, there won't be many parents left who will even want their kids to play football, and the tiny minority who tries to hold out, they'll be criminalized for it, so that won't last long.

With liability, it's just a matter of time until it reaches the tipping point, more and more people sue, until it reaches a critical mass and everybody is suing, and that's when the dam breaks, there's no waivers, there's no implied consent, none of that sort of thing will protect you in court, not when you're a public institution, at which point, the high schools and colleges, the feeder system for football, that will all just go away, and then it won't be long before the NFL doesn't have anybody to play the games anymore, and again, fewer and fewer people will even be into it, since they didn't play football and their parents didn't like football, they will be soccer fans to start off with, and the NFL will have already migrated over to soccer by then.

[StCapps]

We should honestly just burn all the pussies before they ruin sports completely, it's the only real solution.


Plenty of CTE in soccer, it might be safer than football in that regard, but not by much, soccer will go the way of the dodo too. Corner kicks and free kicks will be considered too dangerous, they'll ban the header, shit like that. If you think soccer is pussified now, you ain't seen nothing yet, baba baby you just ain't seen nothing yet.

[Smitty-48]

We should honestly just burn all the pussies before they ruin sports completely, it's the only real solution

It's OK, I'll be dead by then, there's no future, so no worries.

[StCapps]

We should honestly just burn all the pussies before they ruin sports completely, it's the only real solution

It's OK, I'll be dead by then, there's no future, so no worries.

I might not be, so I'm a little worried, especially as a fan of sports where the goal is to cause enough damage to your opponent as to render them unable to continue the fight, which almost always includes brain damage to one degree or another. Thankfully the pussies already stay away from MMA as it is these days, and the last time they banned it, lead by John McCain, it just lead to the sport coming back better than ever, silver lining for the win.