War With Communists

[katarn]

Incorrect.

Wasn't a damned thing left about it.

Perhaps not when you take it from the American lens of left/right. Remember though, that scale goes far beyond what Americans typically face. Far right in America today isn't so bad to a lot of prior countries.

[Smitty-48]

Greater personally liberty and autonomy from the crown is to the left, but if you keep going further left from the crown, to a commune, then you're on the far left, theoretically, the commune garners you more liberty from a crown, by collective action, on the far left, you believe that the individual alone lacks the power to resist the crown, thus you need to form a collective in order to protect your liberties, and your liberties are expressed through collective will rather than individual.

Liberalism is the near left, then socialism, then communism, the further left you go, the more collective the nature of your liberties, and it tends to be reactionary to the power and repession of the crown, so, British Crown less repressive, American revolution less collective, French Crown more repressive, French revolution more collective.

The more radical the repression of the crown, the more radical the revolutionary upheavel against it, and in the end, the American Revolution was basically just a tax revolt, the British Constitutional Monarchy and associated Parliament was hardly the House of Bourbon, nor the House of Romanov, mostly, the American colonists just didn't want to pay their taxes, which, same old same old Americans.

[TheReal_ND]

ps. Conservativism is simply status quo, the same everywhere along the Left-Right spectrum.

It's not simply status quo. In fact the status quo doesn't even represent the organic, illogical when applied to science sentiment of what conservatism is. Pro tip: the definition is in the word

[Smitty-48]

Conservatism in America is fundamentally liberal, it's just classically liberal, it's on the right in America, but it's broadly on the left in global/historical terms.

In the end, both the Republican and Democrat party's are both conservative and liberal, the Republicans are just slightly more conservative, and not by that much.

The spectrum in America is very narrow, it's really just conservative classical liberalism arguing with itself.

Mind you, pretty hard to escape that paradigm with the United States Constitution, which is a fundmanetally conservative classically liberal document, which pretty much restricts from getting very far in either direction away from it, which, was kind of the point.

[TheReal_ND]

Conservatism in America is fundamentally liberal, it's just classically liberal, it's on the right in America, but it's broadly on the left in global/historical terms.

In the end, both the Republican and Democrat party's are both conservative and liberal, the Republicans are just slightly more conservative, and not by that much.

The spectrum in America is very narrow, it's really just conservative classical liberalism arguing with itself.

I agree that's what it has become but it's shifted ever so perceptibly into a more classical liberal position. This is why progressives always have the jump on conservatives. Conservatives represent exactly what proto progressives were thirty years ago. The mission creep has conservatives defending positions that progressives already know are a poor choice of a hill to die on for the preservation of the American People, the actual enemies of the left imo.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Old designations are in flux. Logically, if The Left is Collectivist, "the needs of the group supersede the wants of an individual," then The Right would be the opposite, which is liberty. So, by this definition, I'm The Right, but then the range of liberty becomes its own Left-Right Spectrum: most-liberty-to-the-most-people on The Left, as opposed to most-liberty-to-whoever-gets-there-first on the Right. I'm on the extreme Left in this scenario, with Libertarians being extreme Right. Think about the math for a minute and you'll notice that I would be the exact center.

ps. Conservativism is simply status quo, the same everywhere along the Left-Right spectrum.

Or, as the rest of the world calls it, libertarian-socialist you loon.

[Smitty-48]

Or, as the rest of the world calls it, libertarian-socialist you loon.

Which in theory sounds good, but once you elect them, they start behaving like Bolsheviks Lite, they talk a big game about being anti-authoritarian and opposed to state control of the economy, until they get the ring of power onto their sweaty little hotdog fingers, at which point they get their Stalin on, to include thowing you in their gulags if you don't play ball.
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Because really, they're just the entrenched public sector union party in sheeps clothing, which includes the prison guards union btw.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I know, I know.

Sometimes it is hard not to like something that sounds so good on paper though.

I mean, it is basically the whole promise of post-war, New Deal, Liberal democracy: Maximum liberty, maximum equality, maximum gibs utopia forever. What's not to like?

[Smitty-48]

What's not to like?

The Bolsheviks always crush the Mensheviks, then Stalin always kills the Trostkyists off and takes over.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Not if we finally do real socialism right this time.